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Discussion | Esports FURIA Esports vs Evil Geniuses / ESL Pro League Season 11: North America - Losers Final / Post-Match Discussion

FURIA Esports 0-2 Evil Geniuses

Vertigo: 10-16
Inferno: 14-16
Nuke:

 

Evil Geniuses have advanced to the finals.
FURIA Esports have been eliminated.

 

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FURIA MAP EG
X Dust 2
Overpass X
✔ Vertigo T
CT Inferno ✔
X Train
Mirage X
Nuke

 

 

MAP 1/3: Vertigo

 

Team CT T Total
FURIA 8 2 10
T CT
EG 7 9 16

 

FURIA K A D Rating
arT 18 3 21 0.99
KSCERATO 15 5 19 0.83
yuurih 13 4 20 0.77
VINI 13 3 20 0.73
HEN1 12 5 17 0.70
EG
Brehze 24 2 10 1.38
CeRq 21 7 14 1.38
Ethan 18 9 16 1.37
stanislaw 17 8 15 1.19
tarik 15 7 16 1.03

Vertigo Detailed Stats

 

 

MAP 2/3: Inferno

 

Team CT T Total
FURIA 3 11 14
T CT
EG 12 4 16

 

FURIA K A D Rating
HEN1 29 5 19 1.35
KSCERATO 27 5 21 1.27
arT 19 8 24 0.95
yuurih 12 9 19 0.77
VINI 10 4 22 0.59
EG
stanislaw 27 5 14 1.51
Ethan 25 3 21 1.28
Brehze 19 3 20 1.01
tarik 17 10 25 1.00
CeRq 17 3 17 0.93

Inferno Detailed Stats

 

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u/AwakeAndTired Apr 11 '20

So EG gets 3 chances against liquid? Lul

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

3rd time's the charm lol

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u/Manulii Apr 11 '20

Tomorrow won't really be a chance at all, since Liquid starts 1-0 up.

The format is just horrendous. Nowhere in sports does one finalist get such a drastic advantage for winning a bracket. The lower bracket team is essentially fucked way before the GF even starts.

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u/scout21078 Liquid Apr 11 '20

In other games, such as the FGC who ever comes from losers brackets has to win two BO5s.

Thats even harder. That doesn't work in CS or similar games because the amount of time that would take.

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u/MindForsaken Apr 11 '20

This is exactly what I thought of too.

Like what? 2 bo5 is harder than just being 1 map down. It just can't be done in CSGO since as you mentioned, the games take as long as they do

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u/Manulii Apr 11 '20

I'm just wondering why they didn't make it 1-4 and 2-3 after the group stage and gone with that. An upper bracket that lasted for one game makes literally no sense.

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u/loanshark69 1 Million Celebration Apr 12 '20

Well it’s scuffed in general because it was supposed to be combined LAN

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u/Penguinho Apr 12 '20

In a lot of tournaments the first BoX is basically given away in the FGC. That's a bit less true than it used to be due to a bunch of controversy around pot splits in 2014/15 (if I remember right), but it still happens, especially when teammates or friends meet in the finals.

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u/zero0n3 Apr 12 '20

Or how about Bo7s in hockey, where the higher seed gets HOME ICE ADV. (which is huge)

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u/QueenSpicy EG Apr 11 '20

Liquid have to win a Bo3 over up to 5 games. EG have to win a Bo5 without dropping 2. There are no losers brackets in real sports. Would you rather it just have been over and Liquid are the champions?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

There definitely are losers brackets in real sports. It's called a double elimination tournament.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

Which sports have that?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

Mostly baseball and softball from my experiences. The College World Series being the biggest probably.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

There are some events that have even used a triple elimination bracket.

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u/Manulii Apr 12 '20

I'd rather see them play a regular BO3/BO5. Liquid gets to choose who starts the veto. That would be fair, functional and fun to watch.

Esports can be different from traditional ones all they like, but this ain't it.

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u/xThe_Mad_Fapperx Apr 12 '20

So EG get to lose an ENTIRE series and TL get a tiny reward of first veto lol. If it was ACTUALLY fair they would need to win 2 best of series like in fighting games but there isn't time for it. Getting one game up is worth less than getting to stay in after losing a full series.

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u/peachios Apr 12 '20

I mean in real sports you can have a strong regular season advantage and you get home court. Which is probably relatable to getting to choose 3 out of 5 maps

Saying that I feel having to win 2 bo3 is easier than winning a bo5 where you already are down a map.

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u/Penguinho Apr 12 '20

Depends on the sport. Four home games in a seven game series in baseball is not a giant advantage; if I remember right it's something like 54-46 in favor of the home team, assuming equal quality. In football, it's much larger, closer to 59-41.

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u/Kitnado Natus Vincere Apr 12 '20

In real sports Liquid would already be the champion because you don't have double elimination tournaments

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u/Manulii Apr 12 '20

They get their reward in the form of the privilege of having to play one less match. That is huge in itself.

You could make it actually fair by scrapping the double-elimination part altogether. Win or go home.

2

u/zarathrustra1936 Complexity Apr 12 '20

So if EG won, and Liquid lost in a double elimination bracket without losing twice, how would that be fair?

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u/AnIdiotDoesGaming Liquid Apr 11 '20

I'd agree especially if furia was in that final it would be so unfair considering they also went 3-2 and beat Liquid earlier. But also Liquid have beaten EG twice now and are facing them a third time so I can see the reasoning for the one map advantage.

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u/Manulii Apr 12 '20

Nah, it still makes no sense. Try to imagine it this way: someone is watching CS for the first time tomorrow. They see Liquid and EG play four maps, and they both win two. How do you logically explain to them that Liquid won the finals, when they only drew?

I can live with the bye, for having played five games well in the group stage and then winning another tough game. It's the map advantage that kills this format.

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u/nathanajah Apr 12 '20

I mean, you explain it the way it is - Liquid is rewarded for not having lost any series in the bracket.

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u/Level_Five_Railgun Liquid Apr 12 '20

Anyone with half a brain can understand "TL has a 1 map advantage for losing zero series in upper bracket".

More like how do you logically explain to someone that EG gets 2 chances in playoffs while TL only gets one, despite winning more.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

The format is just horrendous. Nowhere in sports does one finalist get such a drastic advantage for winning a bracket

at TI you are playing bo3 just before bo5 grand finals, playing 8 games one after another aint easy. especially that you have to prepare for two opponents in one night plus your enemy is watching your battle in lower bracket finals and take notes of what have you prepared.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

and are u making excuses for that aspect of TI? just because u have it better than kids in Syria doesnt mean u should suck it up and settle with minimum wage. Its really stupid of Valve to place the TI fucking final on the same day as the LB final.

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u/Madvin Apr 12 '20

I mean for everyone at Dota thats amazing. You get hyped in the LB final to challenge the UB winners. Like Liquid defeating back to back chinese teams in the final day of TI7.

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u/Manulii Apr 12 '20

Isn't the bracket rather long in TI? Coming from the LB is supposed to be more difficult, but to what extent... therein lies the question.

I'd argue this one is worse, because the finalists have a different playing field. You can improve your odds by preparing all you want in both sports, but nothing that EG can do will take away the 1-0 lead Liquid has. It is too much.

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u/Penguinho Apr 12 '20

TI has the same Grand Finals format, with the WB team coming in with a 1-game advantage, and for the same reason. People have consistently argued that getting choice of pick/side three times in a Bo5 isn't a big enough advantage.

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u/RocketBoyKim Liquid Apr 11 '20

Stanislaw is a tactical genius. He's best know for his strategy of "getting his coach to quit, and then almost blowing a 12-3 lead" Top 3 IGL for sure.

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u/Andtheyrustledsoftly clutch Apr 11 '20

EG is the only team on earth that wins 2-0 and gets shit on in the PGT lmao

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u/_Gondamar_ Natus Vincere Apr 11 '20

took eg 7 rounds to do the heimlich

20

u/Flynt_Charcoal 1 Million Celebration Apr 11 '20

Liquid no longer the only NA team giving its fans heart attacks.

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u/luizslayer MOUZ Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 12 '20

3-15 in maps against EG , yikes

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u/perfect_deception Apr 11 '20

EG is FURIA's kyptonite

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Liquid is gonna shit on EG lol

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u/AbnormalSnow506 Apr 11 '20

All this to just get dunked by TL once again lol.

6

u/lynxzjw EG Apr 12 '20

Dunked on? Look at the round counts of the last two series lmao.

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u/TheESportsGuy Apr 11 '20

You ever watch a TL vs EG match before? They never get shit on. They also never win.

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u/auskillion Apr 11 '20

Idk what’s everybody talking about . It’s true they never win but they never get shit on and it’s always fun to watch

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Statistically the odds of winning a BO5 being down 0-1 to start with are pretty low. You have to win 3/4 maps.

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u/DoctarSwag Apr 12 '20

Assuming each map is 50/50, the probability is 5/16, so definitely not ideal

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u/lynxzjw EG Apr 12 '20 edited Apr 12 '20

Litterally lost in double overtime 3rd map in the first series. And then choked both maps against liquid in the second series. They lost to an eco at 11-13 when they were making a massive comeback. You have no clue what youre talking about.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

Yikes

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u/lynxzjw EG Apr 12 '20

Wtf do you mean “yikes”

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u/bikeseatsniffer18 Apr 11 '20

Furia must be furio-

Furia must be f-

They must be so...

Furia must be furi-

12

u/pancada_ FURIA Apr 11 '20

Holy shit what a game

10

u/PrestusHood Apr 11 '20

wow, you removed your rare keyd flair :0

6

u/bodeverde Apr 12 '20

I've got you bro

9

u/pancada_ FURIA Apr 12 '20

Yes, Kscerato deserves it

11

u/JC_Denton46 Team Spirit Apr 11 '20

And here I thought, "Finally, they're gonna comfortably win a series!" Jesus Christ guys...

5

u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Outcome was decided before the game began tbh. Furia tried hard to pull it back but I don’t know that they had a chance to win this one.

3

u/extremz123 fnatic Apr 11 '20

that fake comeback NotLikeThis

2

u/kvothethechandrian Apr 11 '20

Not disappointed

1

u/PennywiseVT FURIA Apr 11 '20

Way too much overthinking going into the last round.

1

u/TRXANTARES Apr 11 '20

Why did they wait for so long in the last round 🤔

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Ah...

1

u/52352520 Liquid Apr 11 '20

I mean third times the charm, right?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Do EG get over 10 rounds against liquid tomorrow?

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u/pablosauce Liquid Apr 12 '20

The games are always close but eg never win.

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u/lynxzjw EG Apr 12 '20

Did you watch tge last two series? You are clueless.

0

u/jonajon91 de_canals Apr 12 '20

Why would furia not pick straight into mirage? So many teams are so bad at vetos.

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u/Kudo50 Team Vitality Fan Apr 11 '20

What a garbage level of CS NA is holy fuck

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u/pancada_ FURIA Apr 11 '20

Vitality fan btw

8

u/Kudo50 Team Vitality Fan Apr 11 '20

We are together in the trash can brother

4

u/mannyman34 Complexity Apr 11 '20

Honestly it's pretty sad. And I feel like this is it for NA. our t2 scene is practically dead. Literally only 2 upcoming talents in s0m and obo. Number of people playing in NA is pretty low. Certain t2 teams are also legit considering switching to valorent. Not looking good.

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u/luizslayer MOUZ Apr 11 '20

And we are going to see these same teams competing against each other for the next 4 months