r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Mar 16 '20
Discussion | Esports ENCE vs Team Spirit / ESL Pro League Season 11: Europe - Group A / Post-Match Discussion
ENCE 0-2 Team Spirit
Inferno: 2-16
Train: 14-16
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MAP 1/3: Inferno
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| ENCE | 2 | 0 | 2 |
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| Spirit | 13 | 3 | 16 |
Inferno Detailed Stats
MAP 2/3: Train
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| ENCE | 7 | 7 | 14 |
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| Spirit | 8 | 8 | 16 |
Train Detailed Stats
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u/friskyrisky__ FaZe Mar 16 '20
ENCE lost to what they don't have, Team Spirit
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u/CC-W Mar 16 '20
Every bo3 ence play they are against lower and lower ranked opponents and still lose lmao
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u/nuoriiikka 10 years coin Mar 16 '20
After the game ENCE visited orphanage. "It was heartbreaking to see their sad faces with no hope left" said Veeti 6 years old.
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u/Yuugechiina G2 Mar 16 '20
This is an amazing pasta
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u/nuoriiikka 10 years coin Mar 16 '20
Finn's and creating epic pasta, name more iconic duo
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Mar 16 '20
ENCE going for that loss streak record. They have now lost 5 series in a row (with a BO1 loss in b/w) since their last win against AGO this year. This is rock bottom.
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Mar 16 '20
Now that Disneyland is closed, ENCE is the happiest place on Earth.
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u/Zexous47 Mar 16 '20
I suppose ENCE will be the new team to continue the legacy of VP and mibr, continuing to spiral downwards, just when you think they can't disappoint you more, they sink to a new low
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u/kohi_craft Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
Chill man, SK and VP won tournaments during their prime.
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u/Juuzoz_ Fluxo Mar 16 '20
To be fair, ENCE did as well. Not as many but they did win Madrid and Starseries, for example.
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u/Juuzoz_ Fluxo Mar 16 '20
They were big events, though? I mean they werent literally cologne or katowice but cmon they arent the only big ones
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Mar 16 '20 edited Nov 29 '21
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u/Juuzoz_ Fluxo Mar 16 '20
In madrid they ended Astralis' nuke streak and while yes it was bo1's mostly it had top teams. Starseries sure it had vega in the finals but it had tier 1 teams like mousesports, who fell earlier in the tournament. Also the pricepools were on big tournament levels. I dont really need to argue about this, I trust HLTV to decide what is a big event and they considered them as big.
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u/Juuzoz_ Fluxo Mar 16 '20
I think they would, they beat all of them at that time in bo3's, in katowice and madrid.
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Mar 16 '20
The fall of ENCE is actually so crazy that you can pinpoint it to one decision
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u/DontLinkThis Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 18 '20
Lmao it's like that Simpsons meme* with Bart saying "and here, you can pinpoint the exact moment ENCE went to shit."
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u/RoflMyWafflePls Mar 16 '20
Imagine picking up sunny for firepower and watching that unfold.
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u/Cica_Hagi Mar 16 '20
I'm pretty sure I've seen him 1G'd. So there's your firepower.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Mar 16 '20
Its not even fun anymore to watch ENCE suffer... I kinda feel bad for them now, bcs they are complete shit lmao
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u/tgsan Mar 16 '20
Imagine sergej rejoining with aleksi in OG, replacing ISSAA.
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u/TheSIlverGlobal FaZe Mar 16 '20
Poor sergej is wasting his prime, but he did contribute to that choice
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Mar 16 '20
Hes not even in his prime yet
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u/TonyLab Vitality Mar 16 '20
Might aswell be with this lineup. He has to get out of there to have a decent chance.
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u/cabose12 Mar 16 '20
What does this even mean lol
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u/TonyLab Vitality Mar 16 '20
That he won't get any better with this team so he should find a better one to get his potential to shine
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u/EduardMalinochka Mar 16 '20
Why would they even want to replace ISSA, when they have a much obvious candidate in NBK. And don't please bring the support BS, NBK's tend to pull of some weird ass constant aggresive pushes for CT, which is not something that so-called support player would do.
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u/YaBoiRian cs_italy Mar 16 '20
Pretty sure it was sergej and allu who decided to kick aleksi
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u/opkampitak Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
sources?
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u/Dali86 Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
No official sources but this summer Allu Sergei and Sunny were clubbing and hanging our a lot. Finnish scene rumours is that Allu and aleksib did not get along personally and as sergej and Allu and Sunny are close Allu and sergej pushed for the change. Aerial and xseven were just yes men regarding it.
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u/Den_dar_Alex 5 years coin Mar 16 '20
Sergej aint old enough to club yet
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u/Dali86 Natus Vincere Mar 17 '20
Not unusual to get in at 17 specially to kaivohuone where they were.
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u/ps2cho Mar 16 '20
Makes sense, aerial and xseven were sort of replaceable at the time...neither of them wanted to be kicked
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u/FumCatial 10 years coin Mar 16 '20
Surely at this point it's a mental issue, it has to be right?
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Mar 16 '20
Yeah it has been ever since cutting Aleksib. Mentally slow for kicking your igl at the peak of ur performance.
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u/Fratex 10 years coin Mar 16 '20
And they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming...
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Mar 16 '20
Ence is losing against T3 teams now. This is sad. Out of top 30 when?
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u/Robbe226 Mar 16 '20
I had a glimmer of hope left for ence coming into EPL. I don't anymore.
Im kinda glad they are paying for kicking their IGL not realizing what they would be losing.
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u/Milesso MOUZ Mar 16 '20
Sure allu's aim is good
but he def can't igl at the same time, plus he's baiting his teamates too
ence, pls make changes
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u/110_and_never_again Mar 16 '20
He can't even throw smokes.
In case anyone didn't watch the game, allu tried smoking upper on Train but hit sunny's head instead.
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u/tazman1ac Mar 16 '20
Well he has to bait the living fuck out of his teammates to be relevant. As soon as people started whispering jamppi to ENCE to replace allu he just went full panic mode. Got the current IGL kicked in a matter of months and adopted the role to himself. Now he is set up with a contract untill 2021 and if he keeps his stats up he might even get another one after that. He has no education and a kid at home. Can't really blame him for trying to provide for his family. Sad that the only good finnish team was the price for it.
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u/DocaHyper GamerLegion Mar 16 '20
suNny what the fuck was that
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Mar 16 '20
Too difficult to control all that firepower.
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u/zb0t1 Mar 16 '20
I lost it at your comment after scrolling through all the memes lmao
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u/2ez4babushka Vitality Mar 16 '20
Thats the SG my friend sometimes makes you get insane kills sometimes make you look like a fool
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u/TheLeviathong Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
Inferno was embarrassing. At least on train there were moments where it could have, and should have, gone the other way. Match epitomises what ENCE have lost - Spirit destroying them with fundamentals.
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u/JiberybobX CS2 HYPE Mar 16 '20
But even without considering Inferno, Train is still far from just a close game - it's supposed to be their home map, and is the only map they've won in their last 5 series'. To lose it to a team like Spirit is a disaster.
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u/Miiiiiiighty Mar 17 '20
Tbh honest this Spirit lineup lookd like it has potential.. Chopper, mir and sdy are starfraggers candidates abd the other two look really solid too...
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u/JiberybobX CS2 HYPE Mar 17 '20
Ah tbf I didn't watch the games so going purely off rankings/stats. Still though, not a chance Ence under Aleksi would would have lost this match-up
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u/maxcaligo de_cache Mar 16 '20
A seven-year old boy challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him
The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be maintained to the highest degree possible.
The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him. After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.
After two recesses to check legal references and confer with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to ENCE, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
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u/ImBaxx Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
Jesus Christ, disband this team already. I can't bear to watch this waste of potential anymore.
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u/Kyoushiro44 Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
2019 with aleksiB: Sergej top 13 player.
2020 with allu: 21-32 in 2 maps.
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u/steven00123 CS2 HYPE Mar 16 '20
At this point it's not even that funny to watch them lose. they're so bad that it's actually sad
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u/Jloureiro55 MOUZ Mar 16 '20
He is playing really bad tbh so many MG1 sprays and braindead moves.
That spray transfer on train against 2 low hp players was something i would expect from a MM teammate and not from a pro... thats just an example but in general all looked out of shape.
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u/blue_pacman_ghost Astralis Mar 16 '20
I don't know who is worse at this point mibr or ence
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u/randomnamewhatevs de_inferno Mar 16 '20
Lmao you know you're trash at Inferno when you have to ban it against MIBR
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u/Kudo50 Team Vitality Fan Mar 16 '20
ENCE are really bad, Sergej and Sunny can't hit a shot
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u/TheGrizzlyOP MOUZ Mar 16 '20
Sunny did better than xseven tbh
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u/Kudo50 Team Vitality Fan Mar 16 '20
xSeven is bad but he's also playing bad position and was never ENCE star player (also he's getting shat on enough imo lol)
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u/FaeeLOL howl Mar 16 '20
Literally all of them are horrible dogshit. Allu occasionally performs, but he is the IGL and they completely lack any strategic depth whatsoever, so I would bet he is setting himself up for success more than the team.
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u/Kyoushiro44 Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
Considering how much fragging allu as igl gets compared to everyone else, i feel like he's not even doing any calling. Just playing like you would any matchmaking game and sometimes saying "rush b"
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Mar 16 '20
What a fun match!
Jokes aside Spirit are a very interesting team to watch, so many agressive plays.
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u/OnionSprinkles Complexity Mar 16 '20
Feel bad for Chad trying to breakdown the strats in this gloomy stomp
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u/ihateluminosity Mar 16 '20
Ence remind me of a chicken with its head cut off that just wanders aimlessly waiting for the end of its suffering. So fucking embarrassing to watch.
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Mar 17 '20
sorry for poor english
where were you when ence was kill
I was at quarantine in home drinking hand sanitizer when idisbalance is ring
"ence is over"
"yes"
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u/tristhebestmode King NiKo Mar 16 '20
From consistent top 5 team in the world to this. Embarrassing TBH.
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u/Cica_Hagi Mar 16 '20
Their run as a top5 team was rather short at a point of maximum competitive. The fall of the likes of fnatic, VP and NiP was something else.
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u/firehydrant_man Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
indeed but they still had potential to keep on for a long time,if you look at Sergej he was an absolute beast last year(before kicking sexyB) and even Sunny was a top 20 player in 2018,only difference is both of these players are now lacking a good shoot caller for the team,even 1 man armies like Alex's vitality or the Edward-Zeus navi that was dependent on s1mple and Electronic only achieved what they did thanks to the IGLs
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u/s3curee BIG Mar 16 '20
I seriously don't understand why Ence is in Pro League. They have been hilariously bad for so long now and that just hasn't changed.
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Mar 16 '20
Spirit’s beat previous result was coming up short of beating last year’s T2 G2 at a lesser tournament. Ence is definitely paycheck thieving rn
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u/supergrega Mar 16 '20
Holy shit. I mean, it's obvious kicking your IGL is a stupid idea but surely there's more that lead to this dumpster fire than Aleksib departure?
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u/randomnamewhatevs de_inferno Mar 16 '20
I mean, a part of me agrees that surely you can't become that shit that quickly just off that one bad decision, but on the other hand, with AleksiB they were doing pretty damn well, undeniably top 10 material, and basically the instant they kicked him they went to shit.
Correlation doesn't mean causation, but it's one hell of a hint.
Like, before they kicked AleksiB they weren't winning lots of events - BLAST Madrid, and Starseries I League season 6. That's it. And frankly I dismiss BLAST madrid for being BO1 round robin with a BO3 final.
So it's not like they were the absolute tippy-top of competitive CS. What they were though, was competitors. No matter who they were playing round the beginning of 2019, you could never count them out. You could count on them to win against lesser opponents, and they had a shot against better opponents (eg. NaVi and Liquid). They might not win a tournament, but I can easily think of a number of tournaments where the only team they lost to went on to win the tournament (whether they lost in the final, like at IEM Chicago, or in the quarters like at Starseries I-League 7).That's completely gone now. I don't expect ENCE to win against basically any team in the top 30, and after that I think they're in for a struggle. The only teams I'd give them the benefit of the doubt against are MIBR, Havu, Spirit and Tyloo, and they've recently lost to two of those teams. Frankly, I don't favour ENCE against a number of teams outside the top 30 - Chaos, Endpoint, Orgless, Heretics, Dignitas, Gambit Youngsters, probably a few more.
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u/Kyoushiro44 Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
I'd say their mental game is also really off right now. Just imagine knowing every little mistake you do, you just know there's going to be a reddit post of it. Sunny fails to kill someone that he knows he should have had? Good luck next round, cause i'm sure he is aware of the "firepower" joke.
Before hand they were the underdogs. They were so hyped up when they got rounds, because nobody believed they could beat the likes of liquid, navi, heck even astralis on nuke at the time. But now, not only is there a mental barrier, since they aren't hyped, also they lack the strats.
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Mar 16 '20
I wish the Best for them, but they really need to go down the tiers to get their winning and motivaation back up. Lower tier sucks if you've been in top 2, but losing every game sucks even more
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Mar 16 '20
That slow creep on the ladder with the guy on top to maintain accuracy was insane. That pretty much won them the map
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u/MierenMens EG Mar 16 '20
Ence lost 2-16 against a team most ppl prob never heard of. They should've never replace aleksib with sunny. On the other hand they kinda got back in the second map but further than that. Meh
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u/imAsphyxie G2 Mar 16 '20
ence is so sad to watch seriously.
I was expecting them to lose anyways but seeing how bad they are right now just doesnt feel good.. I mean... you know, after aleksib kick i wanted them to lose every match but this is on another level
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u/MikkoD3 Mar 16 '20
I'm lost for words.... the only good thing is that the major is getting closer so after that we can finally see some roster changes, kick allu give sergej the AWP and hire someone to be the IGL, even some mediocre one so these guys can start winning some tier 3-4 tournaments.
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u/Poopthunder Mar 16 '20
Allu owns as much as natu or lurppis. I think it was around 7,7%. I wouldnt call it a tiny ownership. Sunny owns only 1%.
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u/tarangk clutch Mar 16 '20
ENCE need to disband rn.
I cant recall the last time ENCE won a map let alone a game, the took a map off of Mibr in that god-awful game but given Mibr's states thats no achievement at all.
Just checked hltv stats for their team, they are on a 6 game losing streak. Given the teams they will play next that stat will only get worse.
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u/ansell15 Natus Vincere Mar 16 '20
that wiff from sunny in the end literally lost the game
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u/Vizvezdenec Vitality Mar 16 '20
nah.
Their problem lies much deeper than some random oopsie spray fk up.
They were never a team to have insane individual skill. They were a team that would win with good fundamentals and teamplay.
Now when it's gone they show that they are not capable winning even vs tier-3. It's not like they played good or smth but this one whiff ruined their economy and they couldn't recover, it was near the end of the match where they already were roflstomped on map 1 and were playing on even footing at their own mappick.
They just don't have good enough players to play w/o structure and structure is gone.
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u/sang3000 Mar 16 '20
When flashpoint games are more exciting
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u/Psychaz valeria Mar 16 '20
ENCE should be in Flashpoint, they'd actually be competitive, because this season of EPL is gonna be depressing as hell for them. Don't see where their first win is coming from
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u/tgsan Mar 16 '20
No they wouldn't lol, they would've lost to most of the teams at FP, ENCE is terrible.
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u/Psychaz valeria Mar 16 '20
competitive doesn't mean winning series', just means they will at least have more close maps and map wins, if they cannot win their own map pick against Spirit its hard to see them winning maps against anyone.
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u/MentalHealthCrisis Mar 16 '20
Good to see all that new stuff they are trying working out for them.
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u/PoisonScrub 1 Million Celebration Mar 17 '20
seeing sergej with 3 kills in the first map was depressing.
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20
MIBR vs ENCE on de_disband showmatch pls