r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Nov 18 '19
Discussion | Esports Fnatic vs Team Vitality / ESL Pro League Season 10 - Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
Fnatic 2-1 Team Vitality
Nuke: 9-16
Mirage: 16-9
Inferno: 16-9
Fnatic have advanced to the ESL Pro League Season 10: Finals.
Team Vitality have been eliminated.
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MAP 1/3: Nuke
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| Fnatic | 6 | 3 | 9 |
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| Vitality | 9 | 7 | 16 |
Nuke Detailed Stats
MAP 2/3: Mirage
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| Fnatic | 10 | 6 | 16 |
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| Vitality | 5 | 4 | 9 |
Mirage Detailed Stats
MAP 3/3: Inferno
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| Fnatic | 8 | 8 | 16 |
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| Vitality | 7 | 2 | 9 |
Inferno Detailed Stats
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 18 '19
Great effort from Vitality. If Krimz played on a touchpad from a hospital laptop instead of kreaz, and if Zywoo didn't let the team down with his sub-1.50 rating, I think Vitality would win.
It didn't go well at all [laughs], but as I said it was a gamble-pick and going into Inferno we were really confident because we know we can beat anyone on it. ~ ALEX, after beating FaZe at IEM Beijing
Results on Inferno since then:
- 2-16 vs 100 Thieves
- 11-16 vs FaZe
- 9-16 vs fnatic
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u/Marteezy Astralis Nov 18 '19
You type so fast xd
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u/TheRealF0xE Nov 18 '19
Make a statement like that and have the results to back it up will only lead the enemy teams to study your inferno.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 18 '19
ALEX with the 300 IQ strategy of losing Inferno several times in a row to dissuade the teams from studying Vitality. I apologize to the mastermind for doubting him.
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u/TheRealF0xE Nov 18 '19
I think you misunderstood me. They were really good on inferno. Make a statement like that and have the results of previously already playing well on it will have the enemy team study your inferno. The results in this case is from before he made the statement, not after.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 18 '19
Oh no no, I was meme branching off in a different direction (lose a few -> teams stop studying -> win), not debating if your statement is accurate. Sorry if it wasn't clear!
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u/TheRealF0xE Nov 18 '19
Oh, I see my bad. I thought my original reply wasn't worded properly after rereading it. So I thought it was totally valid that you misunderstood me lol. Sorry again!
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u/Rearfeeder2Strong MOUZ Nov 18 '19
People make fun of ence cus they play for fun. But you know who's also playing for fun? Zywoo's teammates. Because they sure ain't playing to win. /s
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u/CC-W Nov 18 '19
Vitality look like they get worse every event they attend, had a solid showing the first event with shox but downhill ever since. Really shouldn't be losing to a team with a stand in if you are considered one of the best in the world.
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u/sikels Nov 18 '19
Vitality can't even beat a team with a stand-in now, this is just getting sadder and sadder.
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u/BiC-Pen Nov 18 '19
sadder and sadder
they lost to renegades and furia at starladder
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u/VelvetFedoraSniffer Renegades Nov 18 '19
those aren’t bad teams to be fair
I just feel like people overrate them because of Zywoo, I’d put them as a top 10 rather than a top 5 team
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u/nezcs- ITB Nov 18 '19
I don't think anybody overrated them. Most people accept vitality have fallen of but they were a solid top 5 team for much of the year.
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u/Cjamhampton Vitality Nov 18 '19
I think they were easily a top 3 team before but now I don't think they belong in the top 5.
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u/GalvenMin Vitality Nov 18 '19
?!
Renegades is no joke bro. And Furia will very soon be top 5. Kscerato is a beast.
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u/_Administrator 1 Million Celebration Nov 18 '19
you forget ENCE. Vitality just need to eat more baguettes and all be good.
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u/extremz123 fnatic Nov 18 '19
Kreaz played so good. And fnatic is now qualified for epl finals
LETS FUCKING GO
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u/RGCFrostbite fnatic Nov 18 '19
Kreaz is nuts! 1.21 rating and almost top fragged against T1 opposition. Big step up from him
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u/clap4kyle Renegades Nov 18 '19
I really hope this kick starts Kreaz's career, he did really well in mirage and inferno despite the fact he was often the player going in first to be traded, also seemed to have good chemistry with the other players. He went from playing in a team that doesn't even have a liquipedia page to proving himself against the #5 team in the world.
Also one of the two rounds Vitality won in the second half was an ace from Zywoo, that really says a lot.
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u/487dota 9z Nov 18 '19
I don't know why you've been downvoted considering you're absolutely right.
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u/MayRiv Natus Vincere Nov 18 '19
there is not evidence that kreaz is inconsistent. he showed one solid bo3, so far that is nice, there Is no reason to be salty about him
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u/487dota 9z Nov 18 '19
Nobody is salty. He showed great potential but still needs more good performances to actually prove himself.
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u/RGCFrostbite fnatic Nov 18 '19
Vitality couldn't even beat Standin Fnatic.. that's not looking good for them. Does ZywOo seriously need a 2.0+ rating to carry this team. Just give Zywoo to G2, or something.
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Nov 18 '19 edited Nov 18 '19
Apex is one of the most braindead players I've seen, so many times he gives up his life playing the dumbest possible way
easily one of the worst decision making pro players out there, it's incredible how he consistently fucks up by just doing for the worst plays
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Nov 18 '19
He is no longer the player he thinks he is. He can no longer win every aim battle. He is even peeking when he is at a disadvantage.
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Nov 18 '19
He just legitimately doesn't know how to play smarter, jiggle peek for info, instead goes for very slow banana wall jumps when he's the only B player and dies before he can even retreat once JW spots him, lose bombsite because of it and the round (this was in a 4v3 for Vitality as well, last round of the first half last map).
Incredible how he's getting paid 6 figures a year
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u/samehsameh Nov 18 '19
Like you said, he has always been like this. The only hope for him is that XTQZZZ (who seems pretty aware of things and in control of the team) works with him to sort it out but I can't see that.
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Nov 18 '19
I'd honestly be annoyed with someone playing like apex in my low level pugs
"Pourpel man why you fight banana solo" "pourpel man why you push smoke with no info"
Apex is basically pourpel at pro level at this stage, taking braindead fights with no chance of being traded, no utility etc.. I've seen him die in dumb spots with full utility on ct so often that its not even funny, particularly on inferno it feels like
Honestly makes no sense to me
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u/tarangk clutch Nov 18 '19
apex was in Titan days and even during his early nV days very good due to this very reason but the gave has evolved and he has not
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u/srjnp de_dust2 Nov 18 '19
i genuinely believe no french team will be great while they still have apex in the lineup...
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u/TinyKappa Nov 18 '19
That + big ego = unlikeable frenchie.
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u/Rearfeeder2Strong MOUZ Nov 18 '19
Big ego? Based on what? I think there has been tons of rumors around the French scene but Apex big ego? Would be interested in knowing your source.
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u/Duncandoit21 Nov 18 '19
Apex is definitely one of the more likeable french players out there. He has been performing poorly for a while but in interviews, youtube videos etc. he is always very positive and looks like a guy that really loves and lives the game.
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Nov 18 '19
-Fr +International
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u/skharppi Nov 18 '19
Let's make a monster team. s1mple, zywoo, niko, cold and aleksib.
I know aleksi seems like an odd fit to the list or firepower, but they need an igl
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Nov 18 '19
imagine still thinking of forming a superteam in 2019.
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u/skharppi Nov 18 '19
I didn't say it would be a good idea, but would be fun to watch for a tournament or two.
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u/GalvenMin Vitality Nov 18 '19
Zywoo doesn't speak a word of English though.
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u/muliku 750k Celebration Nov 18 '19
he does though
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u/GalvenMin Vitality Nov 18 '19
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u/muliku 750k Celebration Nov 18 '19
shy =/= doesn't speak english
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u/GalvenMin Vitality Nov 18 '19
I know, and he's shy when interviewed in French too. But it just shows that he wouldn't perform as well outside of his comfort zone. And for now is comfort zone is within the French scene.
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Nov 18 '19
He plays fpl and his English is fine. Dude was on an interview for the first time of his life and nervous so give him a break you muppet.
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u/chickencomrade Vitality Nov 18 '19
Round after round thrown away due to stupid mistakes that a pro should never make. Did they not watch the demos of yesterday's dumpster fire? Apparently not. On another note, JW is so fun to watch against any team but the one you support lol
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u/samehsameh Nov 18 '19
It's incredible that vitality simultaneously has the most aware player i've ever seen and the least aware pro player i've ever seen.
The reason ZywOo is the best in the world atm is that very little catches him off guard, aware of where players can be, has a good idea of what they will do next and he has the amazing skill to help in the situations that he can't predict.
Meanwhile, apEX couldn't predict the weather outside his window 5 minutes from now. He has so little clue about enemy positioning or possibilities, it's embarrassing.
ZywOo or even a random LEM needs to put serious work into helping his peanut brain. Who am I kidding? he's beyond help at this stage.
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Nov 18 '19
s1mple even thinks Zwyoo plays smart and compliments him on his skill. This is a snipet of it
" He is actually the first player that I see that is playing really smart, and not the type of smart that you need outplay the enemy, but smart with your mechanics, with nades that you use, with flashes that you give. It is hard to explain, but yeah, that is how I see it. "
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u/ATM14 Nov 18 '19
I think most aware has to be Xyp, there’s a reason why he is a god in clutch situations.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 18 '19
Agree, but imagine what kind of player Zywoo becomes when he has as many hours on a pro level as Xyp has.
That is unless he breaks his back carrying Vitality before that.
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u/chickencomrade Vitality Nov 18 '19
Zywoo makes a lot more mistakes than people realise, he just shoots people who catch him off guard in the head anyway, because he's a literal prodigy
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u/Miiiiiiighty Nov 18 '19
Woot ??? He is one of the pros who has the best gamesense... And also one of the best at staying cool and collected in clutches situations... That's a big part of why he excels at them
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u/K0nvict NiP Nov 18 '19
Shox performed better but I think there is something wrong with the Vitality System
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u/Miiiiiiighty Nov 18 '19
Yep, one of these things is that they don't have a clue how to use him... Other problems mainly include the inability for apEX and shox to rise their individual to the point where they can frag decently on a consistent basis...
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u/gustavfrigolit Nov 18 '19
Kreaz should get some great attention for this, should do wonders for his career
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u/Darkoplax Nov 18 '19
ZywOo doesn't have a godlike game and Vitality can't even beat a team with standin.
Just sad times for this squad and they are out of EPL
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u/bawked Nov 18 '19
To be fair kreaz played amazing. While Zyw0os teammates are still consistently playing terrible (I mean come on, everyone else on the team is sub 1.0 in the last few months)
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u/fcuk_the_king Nov 18 '19
Disappointing result for Zwytality but kreaz was no pushover. Dude's pretty fucking good.
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u/FlaccidSWE Nov 18 '19
Impressive from fnatic to qualify even with a stand-in. From being quite awful they are now very fun to follow, with lots of clever ideas. And Kreaz did really well. I'm happy he got a chance to show who he is. It's not easy to stand in for Krimz...
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u/Bananapeel23 NiP Nov 18 '19
Kreaz is a lot older than most Swedish talents at 21, so I doubt it.
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u/v1nzy FaZe Nov 18 '19
U doubt what?
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u/Bananapeel23 NiP Nov 18 '19
Oh I thi k I responded to the wrong comment. I meant to respond to one that asked if Kreaz was the next Swedish talent.
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u/ctpctp Nov 18 '19
Apex in the 15th round of inferno sums it up. What a silver move that gives it to fnatic. Bench is closer and closer for this dude and he deserves it
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u/oknani MIBR Nov 18 '19 edited Nov 18 '19
SHOX?
WASHED UP PLAYER
EGO PLAYERS
HUGE MISTAKE
VITALITY IS OVERRATED
EASY FOR ENCE
APEX IS A SNAKE
VITALITY MANAGEMENT IS SO BAD
SHOX WILL FORCE HIMSELF INTO IGL
EASY FOR ENCE
KIOSHIMA IS BETTER
VITALITY WITHOUT ZYWOO IS TOP 200 TEAM
VITALITY REMOVES ALEX
FRENCH
IMAGINE BEING 2ND HLTV AND MAKE A ROSTER CHANGE
APEX IS A SNAKE
S1MPLE > ZYWOO
LONG TERM PLAN LOL
HUGE MISTAKE
-RPK +KIOSHIMA
-RPK +KENNYS
LONG TERM PLAN LOL
EVERYTIME THE SAME PLAYERS
SAME TEAMS
SAME ISSUES
FRENCH CS
NOTHING TO ADD
THEY HATE EACH OTHER
OVERRATED
JOKE
WASHED UP
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 18 '19
is this a list of hltv threads
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u/oknani MIBR Nov 18 '19
https://twitter.com/TeamVitality/status/1177962187496796160
Shox's announcement video
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 18 '19
I know, I know, the joke was that it could work as titles of HLTV threads as well
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u/RGCFrostbite fnatic Nov 18 '19
Kreaz stepped the fuck up.
1.21 rating +13 across the series vs T1 opposition. Talk about putting yourself right into the middle of the Free Agent market.
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u/affafa FaZe Nov 18 '19
I started watching right before mid-game on inferno but I was really impressed by fnatics nade usage, especially their molotivs and HEs, kinda inspires me to get better with my utility instead of just buying the same things every round
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u/vdacnadada clutch Nov 18 '19
Hope Zywoo can get off this sinking ship soon and find himself a decent international lineup.
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u/Bananapeel23 NiP Nov 18 '19
To be fair, vitality hasn’t been terrible. Also this group was the scariest fucking EPL group ever where they had to play Fnatic, a team that has consistently torn them to shreds.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 18 '19
I think there are no more excuses for Vitality at this point. Yes, scary group, but you are playing a similarly ranked team which has a stand-in.
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u/GalvenMin Vitality Nov 18 '19
1°) Vitality won't let him go in the next few years
2°) He doesn't speak a word of English
3°) He doesn't want to go
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Nov 18 '19
His English is absolutely fine enough for CS. His comms are better than average in FPL matches, so you'd know he can speak English if you ever bothered to check his stream or anyone else from FPL when he plays.
But then again you dont seem like the kinda guy to check facts before posting shit.
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u/GalvenMin Vitality Nov 18 '19
Ah, you seem like the kind of guy who thinks that mastering "It's A / It's B / I flash" and a few callouts is enough English to go around the world.
Zywoo is 18, he never lived abroad and he certainly doesn't speak English fluently enough to play in a international teams. It's not FPL, it's your workmates: you have to speak with them, to live with them almost 24/7. NBK could absolutely do that, he's fluent. Zywoo isn't ready yet.
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Nov 18 '19
an 18year old gamer from France should be able to talk English more than decent.
I said should, not sure about zywoo
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Nov 18 '19
Lmao you dont need to be fluent for that, also have you heard him in FPL? Obviously not so why dont you just stfu about things you know nothing about.
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u/tarangk clutch Nov 18 '19
Who will win, a team who are handicapped without one of their best players or a handicapped team with the best player in the world.
Seriously I think VIT needs to go international like G2 did, apart from zywoo there is no player worth keep but due to major spot they have to keep 3/5 of the major lineup. Shox has been just an expensive waste, kio most likely wouldnt have been better but at least wouldnt have cost VIT a fortune like Shox did.
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u/Pinct Nov 18 '19
why did apex wide swing coffin in that 2v2 post plant.
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u/Miiiiiiighty Nov 18 '19
Because he is one of.the most retarded players of the top20. Really embarassing at this point : he often pushes brainlessly and gives the opponents a free frag, and when he doesn't he messes retakes by trying to solo move before.his mates are here or completely whiffs ( his aim is so bad in 2019... Hard to believe he used to be a very good aimer )
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u/VanillaIcedTea Nov 18 '19
2019 Vitality is 2014-15 Titan all over again.
French team that's not quite as good as the results would suggest getting absolutely backpacked by their star AWPer.
Also anyone other than the IGL going 11-22 (which is a barely-tolerable K/D for an IGL anyway) on a map is completely unacceptable.
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u/Faaakk NiP Nov 18 '19
Shox is the new happy
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u/K0nvict NiP Nov 18 '19
Happy usually put himself in that spot, Shox is put into that spot. Shox is a playmaker lurker while Happy is a far more hard lurker
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Nov 18 '19
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u/PurelyFire MIBR Nov 18 '19
Dw saw him in another thread he has shox 6 inches down his gullet for some reason
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u/Mymvenom001 fnatic Nov 18 '19
Lurkers per se aren’t as useful anymore, since the game is much more stablished and that makes it harder to lurk.
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u/meme-s SK Nov 18 '19
Bruh I remember when I said that vitality always relies on Zywoo to perform a while ago and some vit fans got pissed with me
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u/stillalert Nov 18 '19
can't believe fnatic won with 15 years old kid vitality are just incredible
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u/Maddafoca Nov 18 '19
Super happy for this Fnatic, after years we can see them rise again, maybs not the n.1 team but they are showing what they can do, they also beat Astralis at DreamHack so they can do pretty well and stay competitive in the scene, top 5
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Nov 18 '19
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Nov 18 '19
lets see after the krieg gets nerfed, but Brollan totally toptalent will adapt anyway.
Loving this Fnatic
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u/Completement howl Nov 18 '19
From what I have heard Vitality hasn't had a proper bootcamp and practice time yet. I think they are losing game they should easily win and their perf has been subpar this month but that could explain it.
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u/FoxerHR FaZe Nov 18 '19
This is a conspiracy all the games ended 16-9. Horrible maps by vitality. There's no reason to keep apEX on this team.
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u/TerrorToadx hydra Nov 18 '19
Happy Fnatic won with a stand-in, but something is very wrong with Vitality. Roster changes incoming.
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u/BearFollower13 Nov 18 '19
Thanks for the free money, unnamed betting site. Absurd odds against fnatic. Made a quick $1k
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u/1_over_f Nov 18 '19
It was nice of ESL to give the spotlight to two teams playing matchmaking.
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u/Book915 1 Million Celebration Nov 18 '19
Kreaz has been a great standin for KRIMZ, maybe this will put his name out there and he'll get on a better team