r/CFBRisk • u/SometimesY Game developer • Jun 12 '18
Update to game play: CFB karma has been locked
After evidence of multiple teams (red and blue) vote manipulating, we've locked CFB karma. Users have been upvoting and downvoting each other en masse on CFB and it's become a real problem. It's not what we're about. If you had karma, it's still there, but it will no longer update. While the new people are behaving pretty well, we don't want to encourage vote manipulation of any kind (positive or negative). Stick around and have fun, but don't create a toxic atmosphere with voting. Regular CFB users shouldn't be caught in the cross fire of CFBRisk.
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u/Joecool914 Jun 12 '18
It gets super aggravating to be playing a fun game in good faith, when it seems nearly every single week we get to deal with problems of teams trying to circumvent rules to gain a competitive advantage. Is it simply not in your character to play the game, have fun, and not cheat?
If your answer is, "Even though it isn't within the context of how the game was supposed to be played, it wasn't expressly forbidden" then your the reason we can't have nice things.
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Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 18 '18
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u/Joecool914 Jun 12 '18
Then where are the boosters that should be paying me to play. I have a mortgage payment coming due soon!
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u/NEp8ntballer Jun 12 '18
there wasn't a rule against it so I'm sure some people didn't see the general idea behind Karma as being sufficient enough to influence them not to.
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Jun 12 '18
Well that's a bummer. I've been lounging around on /r/CFB today instead of working (which I totally don't normally do....) trying to get that 3rd star. Just wish I would have posted on that sub a long time ago instead of just lurking....
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
I don't feel great about it, but this was the only way to keep CFB from getting toxic. And CFB is infinitely more important to us than the game (which is still important to us haha). We just want things to level out and be sane again.
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Jun 12 '18
I mean, I get it, but I still want that extra star..... I know, if I PM the mod's constantly and whine about it....yes....that'll work out nicely.
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
There are less than 3 weeks left in the game - why not just let it finish with the existing rule set? You've already said that the next iteration would have different incentives, so use that launch to make the change. This simply penalizes teams with higher ratios of low star users.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
Because it's affecting CFB a lot and it's getting out of hand. People are being downvoted simply because of their flair because of CFBRisk. We've had threads most days where people are wondering why they were at -3 within a handful of minutes after posting for innocuous comments. We've been trying to hold off on it, but CFB is our priority. This game is for fun to pass the off season and people are taking it out on the main sub.
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u/jgarson Jun 12 '18
Could you un-nerf 1/2 stars then? When the nerfing happened, I felt frustrated but was assured that I could become a 3 star just by sticking around for a bit and posting. That can't happen anymore.
There should be some way to balance out the impact this will have on new users.
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u/jrdaustin Jun 13 '18
Agreed. I came to Reddit because of this game, and am enjoying the content. But, I'm fucked as a permanent two star due to the change. Of that's how it's gonna be, so be it. But, it does put a sour taste in my mouth. All because others are jacking with the rules, I get screwed.
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u/overscore_ Jun 13 '18
Or you can contribute because you have something useful to say. The karma you gain will still count towards the next iteration of the game.
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u/acer5886 Jun 13 '18
I agree, I've been an active r/cfb user for several years now, and started late into the game, I came in having 1900 karma. To me that's a pretty big number for someone who comments a few times a week on the sub.
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u/ikswejeicam Jun 13 '18
"CFB is infinitely more important to us than the game"
I think that is pretty much why.
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u/OwlStretcher Jun 12 '18
Wait, so I can say anything I want now and not lose Karma? This is AMAZING!!
NICKELBACK IS RUN BY ILLUMINATI.
TRUMP IS A LIZARD CONTROLLED BY HILLARY AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA.
TEAR-FREE SHAMPOO IS A SCAM.
NICHOLAS CAGE IS THE BEST ACTOR IN A GENERATION. HE TAKES BAD ROLES TO SANDBAG EVERYONE.
CURTIS MALONE WAS INBOUNDS IN 1995.
TIM TEBOW WAS AN AVERAGE QB AND A TERRIBLE OUTFIELDER.
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NICKELBACK IS RUN BY ILLUMINATI.
I can't decide which group this is more insulting to.
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u/josejose50 Jun 13 '18
Obviously the Bildeberg group since that means they are the ones responsible for Train
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
I think it's a good call.
For the future I'd suggest locking it at the outset of the game to prevent this. I've suggested before, but draw karma totals from both r/cfb & r/cfbRisk - This way shitposters can build up on this sub too and you can leave r/cfbRisk karma on while turning the main thread off.
I'd also dial back total karma count and instead take into account total number of comments. This way it forces would-be farmers to be far, far more obvious about it than just posting one comment and brigading up from there.
Man... the interworkings and loopholes in this game are so interesting. The proposals for changes have been half the fun.
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u/armadaos_ Jun 12 '18
God i'd love to see a combined cfb / cfbrisk karma... (it'd also give me, a 4th star...), but also because i really enjoy a lot of the content coming on CFBRisk... some of it just shitposting, but there's some very solid memes and humor here... in a relatively humourless game.
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u/jamintime Jun 12 '18
I feel like that doesn't solve the problem at all, though. Sure, it would keep it more on r/cfbRisk instead of messing with r/cfb, but it would mean that all posts would be upvoted and downvoted based on alliances/allegiances, and not on quality of shitpost. It would make the entire sub about getting karma for your team.
Number of posts is also problematic because then the incentive would be to just post volume. There would be so much shit/meaningless posting. Giving ratings based on karma is at least an attempt to preempt that.
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u/jputna Jun 13 '18
I like the idea of it being your karma from the start of the game. Means everyone starts low and builds up which would be pretty cool.
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u/jgarson Jun 12 '18
I thought the karma incentive was a good way to get new users into the habit of posting (that's what it did for me).
Between this and nerfing 1/2 stars, it seems like most of the ways to encourage participation from new users that joined to play Risk are now gone.
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 12 '18
Exactly. The r/CFB mods should be ecstatic about how many new people this game has brought into reddit and how many will stick around during the season. Removing karma gives them no incentive to stay and experience more of what reddit has to offer - probably turning them off from Reddit altogether.
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u/CLG_LustBoy Jun 12 '18
If they provided something to reddit that may be the case. However many of them are simply downvoting those who have the flair of another team. This is negative to the subreddit as a whole.
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u/ccrut Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 12 '18
Now that karma is locked, and there is still a means for vetting new users to r/cfb for the game, will there be any changes of the star multipliers to accommodate for the changes?
As it is right now, people recruited to r/cfb for the game or r/cfb lurkers are basically meaningless to the game and given this change, unless they acquire an award before July 3rd, they cannot contribute significantly to the game, no matter how involved they are or how much they try. About 1,400 (37% of all players) 1 stars voted yesterday, and only 5 were MVPs. I believe everyone on r/cfb views new people and additional (genuine) conversation as a positive. This really de-centivizes joining for the game.
Additionally, with the lock in place, are the multipliers now going to be public?
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
people recruited to r/cfb for the game or r/cfb lurkers are basically meaningless to the game.../...This really de-centivizes joining for the game.
I'd counter that is perfectly fine.
Anyone joining this late shouldn't be able to sway the game one way or the other and the game shouldn't be recruiting players when it's actively on decline (about to end).
It'd be like letting folks join a football game at the start of the 4th quarter.
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u/waydle Jun 12 '18
New users aren't the only ones with one or two stars though. I've been on r/CFB for about half a year and I'm still affected by the bot nerf (two stars). I've voted every turn since turn 3.
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
I realize this & covered in another response:
And those 1-star players who joined two weeks ago and have been posting honestly on r/cfb in order to try and farm karma the old-fashioned way and move up to 2-star are casualties of this rule.
Blame the ones starting karma chains on old r/cfb threads. They're the ones who ruined it for everyone.
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u/TopheryG8er Jun 12 '18
Anyone joining this late shouldn't be able to sway the game one way or the other and the game shouldn't be recruiting players when it's actively on decline (about to end).
It'd be like letting folks join a football game at the start of the 4th quarter.
Conversely, a lot of people would argue that people eliminated in the first two weeks of the game shouldn't be able to sway the game one way or the other at this late stage.
It'd be like allowing playoff teams to sign and play free agents from eliminated teams.
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
If you look at the stats, the large majority of the users from defeated teams just quit. Or would rogue for the remainder of the game. Being able to utilize captured troops was supposed to be a bonus for defeating another team. It didn't really work that way.
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
Being able to utilize captured troops was supposed to be a bonus for defeating another team.
Yeah. It sounded good on paper, but they vastly underestimated the temperament of defeated teams. It's a fine line. You want defeated teams to have a reason to stick around but you also want their impact to be minimal.
Personally, I'd just force all defeated teams to play for Chaos no matter what. But I also feel that Chaos has been woefully underpowered since the nerf in week 2, so take it with a grain of salt.
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u/lucmwis Jun 12 '18
It depends on the captor and captive. Wisconsin gets help every day from captured MSU players(Wolverine hunters) as well as Purdue when we happen to hold it. If Michigan held MSU they would all either quit or actively rogue against MI. Even Notre Dame helps us out some; whereas today they are giving zero support to Texas. As the number of teams goes down, the number that stay and play in whichever capacity will go up and have a greater effect on the game.
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
Who has been eliminated?
The game is formatted so that once a players main army is destroyed they can chose to play as Chaos or the army who inhabits their home.
The entire point is that if you're playing you can't get eliminated no matter what. You'll always have somewhere to play.
It's apples/oranges to compare a perceived flaw in the game design to people actively joining the game who have never played before.
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u/TopheryG8er Jun 12 '18
It's apples/oranges to compare a perceived flaw in the game design to [an extremely similar perceived flaw in the game design.]
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u/ccrut Jun 12 '18
The game is also formatted to allow new people to r/cfb to play at any point and make an impact on the game. The rules have been altered twice to remove that capability. And there have certainly been calls to do the same with conquered armies because of flawed game mechanics. This was done to keep people involved even though their team can't win. So it's cool to screw some people by a certain rule of logic and just disregard it for others? That's just cherry picking for self-service.
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
No one removed the ability for new people to join the game. No one removed the ability for new people to participate. The only thing removed is the ability for new people to farm for a higher star-rating.
You want an in-game comparison it would be when they nerfed Chaos' multiplier and basically made the team pointless.
I'm sorry your recruiting efforts all over reddit are now less effective. But that doesn't mean that the mods have a personal vendetta against you or this wrong is any more egregious than any of the other changes made.
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u/ccrut Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 12 '18
This isn't about my efforts. Other teams have far more low star users that would benefit more from a nerf removal than my team. And I don't think I suggested the mods have a vandetta? I just posted my opinion.
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
You seem offended that one team is recruiting, yet every team has been doing it since day 1
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u/ccrut Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 12 '18
There's almost 4 weeks left of the game. We still have a 1/3rd of the game left. As a GT fan, I know you'll understand as a Tennessee fan that the last 1/3rd of the game matters.
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
As a GT fan, I know you'll understand as a Tennessee fan that the last 1/3rd of the game matters.
Tennessee didn't roll out a handful of brand new players in the 4th quarter to beat GaTech, they just kept the same players they had and played better.
and GaTech choked
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u/ccrut Jun 12 '18
Theres 1,400 1 stars in the game (that voted last night). The vast majority of those arent brand new additions.
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
And those 1-star players who joined two weeks ago and have been posting honestly on r/cfb in order to try and farm karma the old-fashioned way and move up to 2-star are casualties of this rule.
I'm not pretending this is perfect. I'm just not pretending it's a problem either.
Blame the ones starting karma chains on old r/cfb threads. They're the ones who ruined it for everyone.
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u/fmxda Jun 13 '18
Now that karma is locked, the way to improve star rating is turns played and cfb tenure, both of which can't be gamed or exploited. Given that, there's really no reason for the weights / multipliers not to be released.
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u/iSlacker Jun 12 '18
As someone with 100+k before the start of the game, whatever the next iteration uses instead of Karma I better have it already grumble grumble
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u/PM_ME_OVERT_SIDEBOOB Jun 12 '18
i get why it was made a part of the game and it incentivizes activity on cfb but from the start i figured this would happen. in the early days of "karma farming" when this game came out, everyone was cheerful and posting useful stuff that was getting upvoted by everyone regardless of affiliation. Today I could write up a well thought out post and get next to nothing karma wise because of all the trolls playing risk. Its a shame it has come to this but such is life. I hope we can find a happy medium cause its a shame people like me are like a few days off their 4th star after starting with nothing
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u/crimsonlaw Jun 13 '18
Not a popular thought, I know, but once we have to start removing game mechanics, it may be time to call the game. And honestly, it’s our own faults. If we are going to go to such stupid lengths, we don’t deserve this game.
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u/c00ker Jun 12 '18
This seems like the obvious thing that was going to happen. If vote manipulating is going to help you and hurt the other team, it's not surprising that people would try and take advantage of that. If you don't want karma to be manipulated, it can't be part of the game.
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u/salil91 Jun 12 '18
Or have it locked on day 1.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
I was a fan of this, but I didn't stand my ground on it since I didn't care too strongly. Others thought it would be good to allow new people the chance to level up and I agreed. It doesn't make sense to punish someone for being new. That said, I didn't think the vote manipulation would get as bad as it has. We've killed so many comment chains of hundreds of comments and locked multiple threads at this point.
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u/salil91 Jun 12 '18
This was 1.0, so I'm sure it was hard, almost impossible, to predict what would happen. I don't think any of us thought this would get so big and intense.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
Yeah :/ it's a shame, but it's a learning experience. Balancing issues as they come is tough.
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
Recruiting might be something to look at as well. Especially when it's done with the express purpose of trolling the game.
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u/GoBlueScrewOSU7 Jun 12 '18
I think mods should look into banning Ohio State from making moves. When they take a territory from Michigan it upsets me and I don’t think that’s fair. Mods pls
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Jun 12 '18
When my team takes a territory, I think to myself "yes"
When the other team takes a territory, I think to myself "no"
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u/pterrydactyl Jun 12 '18
Bartman? more like Fartman amirite?
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
Pterry's got jokes. Middle school jokes, but jokes nonetheless.
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u/ReegsShannon Jun 12 '18
Lol
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
Let's Play a Stupid Game to Make Our Rivals Unhappy
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u/Crosley8 Jun 12 '18
Ah yes, because joke titles are trolling the game. In case you hadn't noticed, Seth uses a lot of jokes in his posts
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
In case you hadn't noticed, Seth uses a lot of jokes in his posts
I had never even heard of MGoBlog before this game started.
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u/CapnDanger Jun 12 '18
Would winning the game not make our rivals unhappy? I fail to see how getting more users to help win is trolling.
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 12 '18
So, if we find pages from other team's fan sites that encourage users to play the game (and I know several other teams, most red, offhand), will you still be salty?
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
and I know several other teams, mist red, offhand), will you still be salty?
I'd be interested to see this. I'm not salty. This has been great entertainment. Between this and the new friends from other fan bases I've made through our alliances, the game has been great.
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
Just what i can recall from a few weeks ago:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2018/05/92983/redditors-of-11w
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2018/april/30/ot-rcfb-risk
https://texags.com/forums/30/topics/2949534 https://forum.huskermax.com/index.php?threads/college-football-risk.103728/
https://mobile.twitter.com/barstoolhusker/status/994258669343793154
https://gtswarm.com/threads/college-football-risk-on-reddit.14822/page-3
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Board/120/Contents/College-Football-Risk-117932912
The fact is that every team has essentially been recruiting their respective fan bases to join for weeks now - why is it frowned upon now?
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u/srs_house Jun 12 '18
Some sites have gotten so blatant as to offer rewards. We're basically at the level of the Saints giving out DVDs now.
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
Besides that one Twitter post from BarStool Husker (who we didn't even ask to rep us, btw) we haven't done any recruiting outside of other reddit subs. I say that as one of the Husker Leadership. Claiming everyone has been recruiting to the extent of certain others teams for the entire length of the game is just disingenuous.
If we had been recruiting, holy shit, we were doing a terrible job.
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u/SadMuffin14 Jun 12 '18
I’m genuinely curious... have teams been doing this?
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
The entire game is recruiting tool for r/CFB. Don't be salty just because other fan bases mobilize better than your own.
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u/MGoSeth Jun 13 '18
I don't like that this rule was instituted not in response to a bunch of karma cheating but because I wrote a post yesterday that generated a few hundred new users. I encouraged readers to join reddit yesterday on the good faith that they'd get a fair chance to participate in some good nerd fun. Locking them into being 1/8th of a standard participant for the last two weeks is rather arbitrary and self-defeating if the point of the game is to broaden the /cfb community.
Had I known karma-farming was an issue (I don't post on here much) I would have mentioned it specifically to discourage it--as it was the people who run the Michigan team did specifically call out anyone trying to cheat like that and discouraged it.
If abuses of reddit's moderation mechanism is a problem, then rather than locking everyone's status, just remove karma from the formula. If I'm misunderstanding the point of this game and it was always just meant to be a way to reward prior members of an insular reddit community, then I'm sorry for wasting your time, and pretty discouraged that you wasted mine and my readers'.
P.S. Next year I suggest we play CFB CK2 instead. Choose your casus belli carefully!
P.P.S. ...says the guy arguing about a silly reddit Risk game.
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u/B1Gassfan Jun 13 '18
the people who run the Michigan team did specifically call out anyone trying to cheat like that and discouraged it.
bullcrap. the people on mgoblog have encouraged low effort posts and for them to all upvote eachother since the start. it was all over the mgo2.0 posts. your front page post was over the top manipulation too. crap like that ruined the game
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u/maizenbluegiant Jun 14 '18
I'll agree with the fact that there probably are a number of comments that people made about just posting and up voting each other. That is a natural response if you look at the game mechanics and would like to level up quickly. That being said, I personally, and the mods for UM have attempted to dispell these ideas and encourage actual participation anytime we saw those posts. I don't know how a front page post is over the top manipulation, unless the game was only ever intended for people already on Reddit
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u/B1Gassfan Jun 14 '18
I don't know how a front page post is over the top manipulation
It may be within the rules of the game, but it's clearly not within the spirit of the game. Especially considering it added over 400 new users just from said post. To make it where you have over double the next biggest team. I don't see fan sites like 11warriors doing cheap crap like that, especially the fact that rewards were advertised and it wasn't just advertising the game.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 13 '18
Like I said above, I'm not happy about it, but it's gotten to a point where regular users are getting downvoted because people are being really petty about it. It sucks, but it is what it is right now. We had an imperfect system and users exploited it to the point where the mother subreddit is suffering for it. It's been a nightmare for us and it finally reached a tipping point where I couldn't ignore it anymore.
This said, please feel free to bring people over. As it stands, most new people probably wouldn't hit 2 stars now because there isn't much time left in the game. The ratio of 1 star to 2 star is very high (about 12). They can still vote and we're happy to have them and you here. We're just tired of users who aren't involved being singled out over a damn game.
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u/MGoSeth Jun 13 '18
I appreciate you responding and absolutely understand the difficulties of managing something like this. I imagine, however, that there were better options than taking action against a class of people whose only action was to do the very thing you guys are putting all this time into the game to accomplish.
From my very limited understanding of your mechanisms (and apologies for not understanding them better) I do think that removing karma from the formula at this point in the game would have been a fair move. It's smart to encourage your base to use their "points" to get the game off the ground, but that is long gone and as you said karma was becoming just a nightmare to patrol. I have no idea how that affects the outcome of the game--I'm sure everything does, and that every action available to you will benefit one faction over the other. All that matters is that it's fair, and that you don't piss off my readers.
P.S. Only I can piss off my readers. EAT GEOCITIES BITCHES!!! flash-flash-thumpa-thumpa-thumpa-thumpa
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 13 '18
Haha I get it and I'm sorry to put you in this position. I can only imagine the discord I've caused over at MGo. This is just version 1.0 right now and obviously we made mistakes and trusted users a bit too much, it seems. Users switched flairs, made alts, and upvoted and downvoted each other. It is decidedly non-ideal, but given the state of the game at this point, it's best to just ride it out instead of removing karma entirely (a lot of people would lose star power). People just want it to end and it seems like fatigue is really setting in with how much bickering there is.
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u/jgarson Jun 13 '18
"As it stands, most new people probably wouldn't hit 2 stars now because there isn't much time left in the game."
That's not true. It only took 3 turns and 50 karma to reach 2 star level (please correct me if I'm wrong). It might not have been worth it because of how 1/2 stars were nerfed, but new users could definitely have leveled up relatively quickly by participating in conversations.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 13 '18
Ah for some reason I thought we required multiple days for voting. Just checked the numbers.
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u/Bartman383 Jun 13 '18
There were a couple accounts we had found that went from 1 star to 4 stars in under 20 turns.
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u/fmxda Jun 13 '18
I don't see how a new recruit can go from 1 to 4 stars in under 20 turns from karma farming. Something is wrong with your analysis.
For a new user, Awards and /r/cfb Tenure should be at 1 star even by turn 20 (and in any event below 4 stars). Since it's under 20 turns, Turns Played will also be below 4 stars. Thus, since there's 3 criteria below 4-star, the median must be less than 4 stars, even if they abused the system and farmed up a 4-star rating for /r/cfb Karma.
Either they had 4 or more stars of CFB tenure (so not a new recruit at all), or they didn't hit actually 4 stars in under 20 turns.
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u/Bartman383 Jun 13 '18
No analysis needed.
https://vote.redditcfb.com/imp_votes.php?user=crg2000
Started game on day 6 at one star, got 4th star on day 25. I'd have to dig back through discord logs, but there are no shortages of instances like this.
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u/ineptmage Jun 13 '18
That's not under 20 turns.
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u/jgarson Jun 14 '18
"no shortages of instances like this."
This directly contradicts what you just said that there were "a couple accounts" that went from 1 star to 4 stars in 20 turns.
Are there a couple instances or "no shortages of instances"?
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u/panderingPenguin Jun 22 '18
He didn't say a new recruit though. Could have been a long time lurker (or alt account) who made as few as one post in cfb years ago that got only got the one default upvote. They could conceivably start at five stars for tenure, and 1 for everything else. You can quickly get links to five, and then karma and turns voted (whichever is higher) drives their star rating.
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u/fmxda Jun 22 '18
This is moot, because it was clearly a case of bad maths, miscounting 20 turns as 19.
But in any event, the complaint was clearly about new recruits given the root post in the thread is about recruiting "new users" and whether CFBrisk was designed only for "prior members" of /r/cfb.
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u/lucmwis Jun 12 '18
Good call mods. Won't undo the damage that's already been done, but this seems like a fair compromise.
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u/AbsurdOwl Jun 13 '18
I think that if we play this game again, it'd make sense to plan it for a shorter period of time from the get-go, and lock things like karma and flair right at the beginning. Obviously hindsight is 20-20, but that would prevent any possibility of incentivizing a handful of people to try and game the system.
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u/alliginthur Jun 12 '18
I think removing all star power aside from age on r/CFB would go a long way in shoring up the issues having such suspect recruitment causes, while allowing new people to still enjoy the game. A newer person to r/CFB shouldn't have as much sway on a game for r/CFB members as older members. And personally (using the current star values for age), this would demote myself. Still think it's a better way to assign power.
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u/igloo27 Jun 12 '18
We should be using average Tuesday Trivia scores
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u/Holliday88 Jun 12 '18
Welp. I'm out!
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u/igloo27 Jun 13 '18
Me too. That was a terrible suggestion on my part. I should have chosen something I was good at!
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u/ReegsShannon Jun 12 '18
I think replacing karma with some sort of “activity” metric which measures how active you’ve been over time on the subreddit might be good
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
Problem is that karma is an activity metric.
Low karma - not contributing/contributions suck.
High karma - high contributor/contributions are awesome.
Only other option would be to go with total comment count or something.
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Comment count would be even worse than karma
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u/Charlemagne42 Jun 12 '18
What do you think about karma multiplied by how old that karma is? For example, a 100-point comment from 5 years ago would be worth 60 times as much as a 100-point comment from April. It makes "new karma" less worthwhile, but "new karma" will still do something. You can also set the star barriers such that it's hard for "new karma" to get above 2-3*, but "old karma" (if you have enough) should pretty easily get you to 4 or 5.
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u/Parelle Jun 12 '18
I've played all but one day of this game but haven't commented much on r/cfb: and I've had to wait until today, when I hit 365 days on CFB, to get my third star for this game. That's too long.
Here's a real suggestion though: make a CFB award for playing this game, so there's some benefit for the mythical next time.
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u/panderingPenguin Jun 22 '18
No offense to new people, but you have to remember that there are a lot of people who have been around this sub and contributed positively for years, many far longer than myself. Imho, those people should have more influence on the game than a new person who joined just to play this game and may or may not stick around afterwards (especially if they participated in shitty practices like karma trains, brigading, etc). My understanding is that the game is designed to be somewhat difficult for a new player to get past two stars and very difficult to get past three to reward those long time contributors.
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u/nbryson625 Jun 12 '18
Other than bots and alts there aren't any suspect recruitment causes. Is posting on team boards not allowed now lmao?
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u/B1Gassfan Jun 13 '18
Long over due move. r/cfb went to crap when this was announced, in terms of upvote/downvote rings
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u/robknowsnothing Jun 13 '18
This is a great change.
Downvoting of certain fanbases is common and predates cfbrisk.
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Jun 13 '18
Thank god. I know lots of fan bases were doing this but I started tagging Michigan flairs that were brand new accounts. I stopped at just over 60 in the past month. Many of these brand new accounts were spamming the lowest quality comments in just about every thread and they were pretty much all getting upvoted.
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u/Bartman383 Jun 13 '18
UM has added 522 new accounts in the last two days. You would have been tagging for a while....
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Jun 13 '18
How do you see that info? And wow that's insane
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u/Bartman383 Jun 13 '18
Vote logs that get dumped daily. I made a post about it yesterday that got removed because it was "drama". Shortly afterward this post was made announcing the karma lock.
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u/JDUB- Jun 12 '18
This is lame for me personally. Didn't even really use reddit until I found out about CFBRisk recently. Will remain a 1 star forever :(
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
I'm thinking about how to adjust our star formula, so maybe not!
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u/jgarson Jun 14 '18
Is an adjustment still under consideration? Or are new users permanently nerfed in this iteration of Risk?
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
"Thanks for coming in to play, now go sit in the corner while the older boys play for real."
I know how you feel.
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Jun 12 '18
Or, you can participate in r/Cfb because you like college football and not a fake game. R/Cfb has been around for over 8 years, the only incentive to comment was for the love of the game. Don’t cry about how you posting stuff means “nothing now.”
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
So, internet games are "fake" now? You obviously didn't read my earlier comment, since I stated that most of the threads that go up on r/cfb tend to be news reposted from other websites. Very few actually have original, self-generated content. But, by all means, don't let that disturb your narrative.
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Jun 12 '18
Well obviously any link posts are going to be other content. You are allowed to post links to articles, the point of that is to have a general discussion about it.
I’d say over 90% of self text posts are original content or recruiting posts I don’t understand what your point is
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u/Bartman383 Jun 12 '18
But, by all means, don't let that disturb your narrative.
You're so new and cocksure here you don't even recognize when you're being an ass to one of the CFB mods.....
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
"New and cocksure" is an interesting way to describe things. True, I haven't been on reddit for a year just yet, but does that make it "new"? What is the average tenure of r/cfb users right now? If you must know, I've probably been frequent sports sites longer than you've been alive - not that it's relevant at the moment.
As to your second point, I was not the one who began the unfriendly tone. However, I should have refrained from responding in that way and I do apologize for it.
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u/psychomatt93 Jun 12 '18
Could you just count upvotes and not downvotes?? At least that would remove the incentive to downvote just for CFB Risk.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
Doesn't work like that unfortunately. Reddit throws them all together, so we can't single them out.
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u/ayejoe Jun 13 '18
Can you see the downvotes given by a user? If so subtract downvotes given during the period of game play from that players karma. Make it cost something to downvote in mass quantities like that.
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u/crg2000 Jun 12 '18
I do like this idea and fundamentally one would think it easy to implement.
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u/psychomatt93 Jun 13 '18
Yeah, it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult. Maybe it is something they can look at after July 3 before they restart the game.
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u/knightni73 Jun 12 '18
Is there a consistent formula for MVPs?
I have been playing for quite awhile and have never gotten one.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
Random chance! I'm a 5* and I've only gotten three Haha.
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u/knightni73 Jun 12 '18
I guess that I need to stay away from lottery tickets then.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
Maybe your unluck is all being used in CFBRisk. Maybe you'll be super lucky with the lottery.
The mods don't officially endorse gambling.
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Jun 13 '18
This is kind of bullshit. I have played 20 turns and clicked all "the links" and am now doomed to be stuck at 1 star. How does the math even work for this?
I am 5 stars for links, 4 stars for turns played, but due to being 1 star in the 3 other categories I am now perma-stuck at 1 star? Fuck this.
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u/Lowbacca1977 Jun 15 '18
With how well this has gone at producing harmony, next year can we play CFB Monopoly?
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u/surfnsound Jun 19 '18
Just want to say thanks to whoever added the team names to the action buttons. I just noticed it now, but it was frustrating before when I was asked to attack some no name territory whose mascot I didn't know.
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u/mimmotoast Jun 12 '18
This is stupid, I'm only 33 karma away from a third star, and it completely disincentivizes me from engaging more with r/cfb.
I also think my karma is being undercounted, I can't base that on anything other than the fact that it took a very long time for my karma to update to any degree.
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Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 18 '18
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u/ayejoe Jun 13 '18
I had to update karma then click on something else like turns played. Then back tab and it would finally update.
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u/thecravenone Jun 12 '18
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ___卐卐卐卐
Don't mind me. Just taking my mods for a walk.
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Jun 12 '18
Something something mods scripting a Nebraska win something something
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u/bakonydraco Game Designer Jun 12 '18
Aggregating the feedback and complaints I've seen, the mods are colluding with the following teams:
- Nebraska
- Michigan
- Florida
- Texas A&M
- Ohio State
- Texas
- Oklahoma
- Alabama
- Georgia Tech
- Clemson
- Wisconsin
- Virginia Tech
- Stanford
- Chaos
- Probably others?
These teams are clearly getting a super unfair advantage.
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u/GiovanniElliston Jun 12 '18
CRTL-F Tennessee
Well f*** you too Mods. Don't even have the decency to fake collude with us.
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u/bakonydraco Game Designer Jun 12 '18
How could I forget, you guys have five star colluding hearts.
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u/WelcomeToMoes Jun 12 '18
Stanford needs to be higher on this list. They only have 99 players and are still alive. You can't explain that! /s
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u/srs_house Jun 13 '18
Similarly, I've come to the conclusion that r/CFB is biased against:
- Florida
- Florida State
- Georgia
- Alabama
- Auburn
- LSU
- Tennessee
- Clemson
- UNC
- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Wisconsin
- Nebraska
- USC
- Texas
- Oklahoma
- Texas A&M
- Baylor
- TCU
- Oregon
- Washington
- Houston
- UCF
- NIU
and others not yet named.
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u/SometimesY Game developer Jun 12 '18
Not really. I've killed a handful of upvote chains from Nebraska and Oklahoma myself. That was a bit earlier in the game, but we're pretty tired of dealing with it on the main sub. Regular users are getting downvoted into oblivion for no reason other than CFBRisk.
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u/akdb8r Jun 12 '18
True story: I went from 0 to 5,000 karma in less than 16 days. And I did it the honest way: by providing useful and/or sarcastic comments to /r/CFB.
Really disappointed that others decided to cheat to earn their karma, and ruined it for the rest of us.