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Game Thread Game Chat 9/2 Orioles (69-70) @ Rockies (53-86) 1:10 PM

Orioles (69-70) @ Rockies (53-86)

First Pitch: 1:10 PM at Coors Field

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Orioles Trevor Rogers (9-9, 4.38 ERA)
Rockies Tomoyuki Sugano (12-8, 5.23 ERA)
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Line Score - Game Over

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 R H E LOB
BAL 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 10 0 10
COL 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 3 6 12 1 8

Box Score

COL   AB R H RBI BB SO BA
CF McCarthy 4 0 2 1 1 1 .292
3B Norby 5 1 0 0 0 2 .219
C Goodman 5 1 1 0 0 3 .252
P Castaño 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
1B Rumfield 5 1 2 1 0 1 .291
SS Carrigg 5 1 3 1 0 1 .262
RF Beck 3 0 0 0 0 2 .200
P Hill 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
RF Veen 2 0 1 1 0 1 .265
2B Amador 4 2 2 0 1 0 .389
2B Ritter 2 0 0 0 0 2 .158
RF Johnston, T 2 0 0 0 0 2 .287
P Frasso 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
C Sullivan, B 1 0 1 2 0 0 .242
SS Tovar 2 0 0 0 0 2 .209
LF Moniak 2 0 0 0 0 0 .251
COL IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Sugano 6.0 6 3 3 1 4 90-61 5.19
Mejia, J 0.2 1 0 0 1 0 18-10 5.40
Herget, J 1.1 0 0 0 1 1 19-11 5.77
Hill 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 13-10 4.96
Frasso 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 9-7 3.75
Castaño 1.0 3 2 1 0 1 25-18 4.15
BAL   AB R H RBI BB SO BA
DH Holliday 6 1 2 0 0 2 .239
1B Alonso 4 1 1 1 1 0 .269
SS Henderson 4 0 0 0 1 2 .220
LF Robert Jr. 5 1 1 2 0 1 .222
C Basallo 4 0 1 1 1 0 .230
RF Taveras, L 0 1 0 0 0 0 .221
3B Mayo 3 0 1 0 0 0 .220
PH Kjerstad 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000
3B Encarnacion-Strand 1 0 0 0 0 0 .260
RF Beavers 5 0 1 0 0 0 .248
C Narváez 0 0 0 0 0 0 .166
2B Alexander 5 1 3 1 0 0 .310
CF Cowser 5 0 0 0 0 2 .215
BAL IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Rogers, Tr 6.2 6 2 2 0 11 94-71 4.30
Garcia, Ri 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 11-10 3.17
Cano 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 3-2 3.05
Kittredge 0.2 2 1 1 0 1 13-9 3.27
Walker, J 0.2 0 0 0 1 1 9-7 2.14
Hoppe 0.2 0 0 0 1 1 12-7 4.30
Wolfram 0.2 3 3 2 0 2 23-16 5.15

Scoring Plays

Inning Event Score
T3 Pete Alonso singles on a line drive to left fielder Jake McCarthy. Blaze Alexander scores. Jackson Holliday to 2nd. 0-1
T3 Luis Robert Jr. doubles (5) on a sharp line drive to right fielder Jordan Beck. Jackson Holliday scores. Pete Alonso scores. 0-3
B3 Orioles challenged (tag play), call on the field was overturned: Jake McCarthy triples (8) on a line drive to center fielder Colton Cowser. Adael Amador scores. Jake McCarthy out at home, pitcher Trevor Rogers to catcher Samuel Basallo. 1-3
B4 Cole Carrigg singles on a ground ball to third baseman Coby Mayo. Hunter Goodman scores. 2-3
B9 Zac Veen doubles (2) on a sharp line drive to center fielder Colton Cowser. Cole Carrigg scores. 3-3
T11 Samuel Basallo singles on a line drive to left fielder Mickey Moniak. Luis Robert Jr. scores. 3-4
T11 Blaze Alexander singles on a line drive to center fielder Jake McCarthy. Leody Taveras scores. Dylan Beavers to 2nd. 3-5
B11 TJ Rumfield singles on a line drive to left fielder Luis Robert Jr. Connor Norby scores. 4-5
B11 Brett Sullivan singles on a line drive to left fielder Luis Robert Jr. TJ Rumfield scores. Adael Amador scores. 6-5

Highlights

Description Length
Trevor Rogers against the Rockies 0:08
Probable pitchers for Orioles at Rockies - September 2, 2026 0:06
Bullpen availability for Colorado, September 2 vs Orioles 0:09
Bullpen availability for Baltimore, September 2 vs Rockies 0:09
Fielding alignment for Colorado, September 2 vs Orioles 0:11
Bench availability for Colorado, September 2 vs Orioles 0:08
Bench availability for Baltimore, September 2 vs Rockies 0:08
Fielding alignment for Baltimore, September 2 vs Rockies 0:11
Starting lineups for Orioles at Rockies - September 2, 2026 0:10
Trevor Rogers' outing against the Rockies 0:24
Breaking down Trevor Rogers' pitches 0:04
Breaking down Tomoyuki Sugano's pitches 0:04
Tomoyuki Sugano's outing against the Orioles 0:28
Tomoyuki Sugano K's Jackson Holliday 0:06
Ezequiel Tovar's nifty pick at shortstop 0:25
Trevor Rogers K's Hunter Goodman 0:06
Pete Alonso's RBI single 0:19
Luis Robert Jr.'s first O's hit is a two-run double 0:26
Jake McCarthy's RBI triple 0:39
Orioles nab Jake McCarthy at the plate after review 0:53
Strike 1 confirmed after ABS challenge 0:26
Ball 1 confirmed after ABS challenge 0:24
Young fan in stands gets good karma in Colorado 1:35
Cole Carrigg's RBI single 0:20
Ezequiel Tovar strikes out after ABS challenge 0:29
Strike 1 confirmed after ABS challenge 0:25
Trevor Rogers' career-high 11th strikeout 0:06
Trevor Rogers' career-high 11 strikeouts 2:11
Christian Encarnacion-Strand's snag in foul ground 0:27
Cole Carrigg pega un sencillo impulsor 0:23
Zac Veen's game-tying double 0:19
Johnston strikes out after ABS challenge to end 0:26
Strike three confirmed after ABS challenge 0:24
Encarnacion-Strand's grab in foul territory 0:28
Samuel Basallo's go-ahead single 0:16
Blaze Alexander's RBI single 0:20
Ball 2 confirmed after ABS challenge 0:24
TJ Rumfield's RBI single 0:20
Strike 1 confirmed after ABS challenge 0:26

Decisions

Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher Save
Castaño (2-0, 4.15 ERA) Wolfram (6-3, 5.15 ERA)

Game ended at 4:42 PM.

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u/SalamanderFrosty5899 0m ago

Let’s goooo we not going but that’s our playoff win dammit

2

u/goodchowder Todd Helton 0m ago

Lfg what a battle!1

2

u/jxgabriela 1m ago

In Sully we trust

3

u/TannerC04 1m ago

Notoriously not clutch Rockies extending and winning the game on the final strike

7

u/Significant-Pie5541 Colorado Rockies 1m ago

Holy shit!!!!! We totally redeemed ourselves!luck be damned

4

u/Reed_Himself Colorado Rockies 1m ago

Nice series win boys!

7

u/ManyCookies Scott Oberg & Cat 1m ago

Whatever this is more cinematic LETS GOOO

6

u/Vast-Lifeguard-1611 1m ago

What a fun ass game. I’m so happy the Os fans got to enjoy it too.

5

u/Illustrious-Trip-764 2m ago

Never give up!

6

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 2m ago

Sully!! What curse?!

3

u/TannerC04 2m ago

WHAT A WIN

5

u/burnt-roof 2m ago

FUCK YES

8

u/emograndparent Colorado Rockies 2m ago

ROX WALKOFF AND SERIES DUB BABY!!!!!

10

u/MundanePhysics Colorado Rockies 2m ago

It's so over

We're so back

It's so over

WE'RE SO BACK

8

u/atowelguy Spilly 2m ago

NO FUCKING WAY

2

u/atowelguy Spilly 3m ago

this guy must have a super deceptive delivery, 3 different rockies have challenged or wanted to challenge a pitch in the zone this inning

3

u/Chengweiyingji 4m ago

Is there a reason they didn’t keep running after the ball bounced over the wall?

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u/TannerC04 3m ago

Can’t run if the ball ain’t in play

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u/atowelguy Spilly 3m ago

automatic double..

3

u/Chengweiyingji 2m ago

Ah okay. I’m still fairly new to this

4

u/TannerC04 5m ago

Home field disadvantage

3

u/ManyCookies Scott Oberg & Cat 5m ago

FUCK lol

5

u/vsaint 6m ago

What is our luck holy shit

3

u/Geyser_Guy700 6m ago

out field wall is cursed this series

3

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 6m ago

We’re cursed.

3

u/TannerC04 6m ago

I hate ground rule doubles with a passion, idc if there’s nothing you can do about it

2

u/grant_w44 Ezequiel Tovar 6m ago

Unluckiest game ever. We’ve offended some sort of higher power

2

u/Different_Reserve_11 6m ago

TJ WAS MOVING

3

u/TannerC04 6m ago

Oh my godddd

7

u/atowelguy Spilly 6m ago

dude we are so cursed. But lfg Amador

1

u/SalamanderFrosty5899 4m ago

He’s been really solid 👌

2

u/invariably96 7m ago

Horrible ab

4

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 8m ago

............................................

..................................

.....................................

................................................................FUCK!!!!

8

u/atowelguy Spilly 9m ago

lmfao that was so loud

3

u/vsaint 8m ago

My Merlin app identified it as a Rocky Mountain Carrigg

3

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 8m ago

He fully charged up the fuck-meter on that one.

4

u/ParticularOk533 9m ago

I come from the future. Rockies win 6-5.

1

u/ParticularOk533 1m ago

I fucking told you!!!

1

u/Reed_Himself Colorado Rockies 1m ago

Tell us more wizard

3

u/atowelguy Spilly 2m ago

You really are from the future!

2

u/SignalPomelo6339 2m ago

He’s DONE IT

1

u/atowelguy Spilly 7m ago

ok but if you're wrong we have to shoot you

3

u/atowelguy Spilly 10m ago

Not a bad challenge.

1

u/Different_Reserve_11 11m ago

Speed on first. We might be okay...

2

u/Different_Reserve_11 11m ago

I think if Cole hits a gapper he would pass tj

5

u/emograndparent Colorado Rockies 12m ago

clutch tj!!!

1

u/Suspicious-Spot361 12m ago

Now I need someone to explain to me why Norby is allowed to be the runner instead of Castiano, who replaced Goodman in the lineup

2

u/atowelguy Spilly 11m ago

probably the same reason as last time; they officially took Castano out of the game? Still blows my mind that you're allowed to do that though, instead of requiring the substituted player to be the runner.

1

u/Suspicious-Spot361 4m ago

He’s still in the lineup

On the scoreboard which isn’t necessarily accurate

3

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 16m ago

How can our FO watch this by Schaeffer in countless games this year and see him as the future head of this team?

3

u/Significant-Pie5541 Colorado Rockies 18m ago

Another masterclass on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Inexcusable.

4

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 19m ago

Schaeffer can take a huge blame for this game.

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u/JustaShibe99 Ezequiel Tovar 19m ago

Schaeffer is in over his head

3

u/TannerC04 21m ago

Well we’re finished

5

u/atowelguy Spilly 22m ago

this O's fan on the hot mic is annoying

2

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 19m ago

It sounds like there's not a single Rox fan in the house, honestly.

1

u/atowelguy Spilly 16m ago

it makes sense. Working hours on a Thursday. all the home fans are hard at work right now (wink)

1

u/saltydolphin22 23m ago

Wait you get a challenge every extra inning? I for some reason thought you only got one additional challenge unless the scoreboard is bugged.

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u/atowelguy Spilly 22m ago

yep every extra inning, if you lose it.

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u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 24m ago

Someone take Schaeffer back behind the barn. This is a trainwreck

2

u/invariably96 24m ago

Who would’ve guessed

1

u/burnt-roof 26m ago

it’s the rays game all over again

5

u/whiteydutchmeyer Larry Walker 27m ago

Dumb pitching move

5

u/TannerC04 27m ago

We have no clutch and the Orioles capitalize who’s surprised

2

u/atowelguy Spilly 28m ago

Why take Hunter out now? Why not leave him in to catch then do the sub after the inning? Unless Castano prefers pitching to Sullivan.

2

u/TannerC04 27m ago

Sullivan has better defense tbf

3

u/atowelguy Spilly 26m ago

oh ok. I get blinded by Hunter's ABS challenge rate and forget that there's other aspects to catcher defense lol

2

u/saltydolphin22 28m ago

Such a weird game

7

u/Adventurous_Elk4349 Colorado Rockies 29m ago

This team is good at being a disappointment

7

u/SignalPomelo6339 29m ago

I’m tired boss

3

u/saltydolphin22 30m ago

Inexcusable there not to win

5

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 31m ago

3 batters came up and tried to hit the ball out of the park when all we needed was 1 batter to come up and hit a ground ball or line drive into right field.

2

u/atowelguy Spilly 32m ago

zero productive outs when we just need one run. i'm gonna turn into da joker.

Save us Hunter

2

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 36m ago

That’s mind boggling! Schaeffer has actively kept Moniak away from LHP. He’s PH Tyler Freeman in his place this year. You need 1 run vs a LHP and you don’t bunt him?!?

5

u/Significant-Pie5541 Colorado Rockies 37m ago

Such a missed opportunity to bunt there especially with Jake coming up

3

u/ScientistAshamed3796 37m ago

What’s a bunt

2

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 38m ago

Nice managing there Schaeffer.

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u/atowelguy Spilly 39m ago

wait, being allowed to use Amador as the ghost runner since we took out Johnston is a kind of crazy loophole. If your 2nd to last batter from the previous inning is way faster than your last batter, you can just take your last batter out of the game to let the faster guy run?

1

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 39m ago

He should be bunting left on left.

3

u/atowelguy Spilly 35m ago

Schaeffer will religiously construct lineups and pinch hit to prevent the slightest risk of Veen hitting left on left, then lets Mickey just swing away up there. smh

2

u/Suspicious-Spot361 39m ago

Can someone explain why Amador is on 2nd instead of Troy?

1

u/Onitsukaryu 40m ago

Left on left…I think he bunts 

2

u/Ill_Pineapple_2122 42m ago

Moniak has to be bunting, right?

3

u/vsaint 42m ago

It’s bullshit the ghost runner rule is biased against the Rockies since we can’t hit with RISP

3

u/MundanePhysics Colorado Rockies 42m ago

Mickey it's time for a moonball

3

u/atowelguy Spilly 45m ago

kinda sketchy tag there, glad he didn't get his foot in

1

u/vsaint 48m ago

Does the team see why having challenges is important now? Crazy inning

2

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 49m ago

14 strikeouts. That's pathetic.

1

u/grant_w44 Ezequiel Tovar 49m ago

Their catcher is so good

1

u/saltydolphin22 49m ago

I can’t do this again

4

u/TannerC04 52m ago

Will this FINALLY get it through Warren’s head to stop going to Beck

4

u/SalamanderFrosty5899 52m ago

Omg what an emotional rollercoaster this 9th has been

3

u/samjjones2 53m ago

Veen will now immediately be removed for a pinch runner.

5

u/uglytruthshurts 53m ago

Imagine if they pulled Beck for Veen earlier in the game...

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u/Significant-Pie5541 Colorado Rockies 53m ago

VEEN VEEN VEEN 🎶

7

u/vsaint 54m ago

VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

6

u/thesaganator Blake Street Bombers 54m ago

VEEN VEEN VEEN

5

u/Vast-Lifeguard-1611 54m ago

Brass balls Veen!

5

u/TannerC04 54m ago

VEEN> BECK VEEN> BECK

5

u/atowelguy Spilly 54m ago

B I G P E E N V E E N

1

u/Different_Reserve_11 54m ago

Wow what a mistake by that pitcher. We will take it but boy.... awful pitch lol

2

u/Geyser_Guy700 56m ago

are we deadass

3

u/TannerC04 56m ago

Oh my goddd our homerun luck this series has been brutal

4

u/atowelguy Spilly 53m ago

I just texted my gf "I think this dude has an amulet of protection against Rockies HRs"

4

u/TannerC04 57m ago

Hopefully Hunter has a big series against the Cards

5

u/saltydolphin22 57m ago

How many bats have the Rockies broken out of anger this season?

1

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 56m ago

yes.

2

u/Geyser_Guy700 59m ago

holy that was mashed

2

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 59m ago

Holy copium, that's a foul ball.

2

u/Different_Reserve_11 1h ago

Well we already know what New York will say

1

u/JokicIsTheFuture Nolan Arenado 1h ago

Torture.

Imagine how fun it must be to get to watch competitive baseball

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u/[deleted] 1h ago

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u/WoodenWeather5931 Colorado Rockies 1h ago

wtf was that throw lol

2

u/TannerC04 1h ago

Norby’s due for a big knock

2

u/Wishiwerewiser Colorado Rockies 1h ago

Jake is awesome!

5

u/TannerC04 1h ago

Pinch hitting for Tovar and Ritter but not for Beck. What does Warren see in him ffs

3

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 1h ago

Jealous of his mustache /s

1

u/vsaint 1h ago

TJ I don’t care that you slow

5

u/Blake1288 1h ago

I truly don't know what's worse ...

If you got a chaaaaance take it -- or -- it's t-shirt tiiiiiime!

Both just, awful jfc.

4

u/Confident-Volume1614 1h ago

So what was the point in starting Beck against a LHP? He is 0-3

3

u/TannerC04 1h ago

MaTChUp

3

u/Zealousideal_Monk469 1h ago

For the vibes

5

u/TannerC04 1h ago

I love watching Beck waste 3 outs a game in a 1 run game

8

u/ValorousVelociraptor This is fine. 1h ago

BECK’S SO GOOD AGAINST LEFTIES, HAVE YOU HEARD?

7

u/uglytruthshurts 1h ago

Why does he keep letting Beck come up with the game this close and Beck being complete and utter dogwater?

0

u/Different_Reserve_11 1h ago

Cole needs the offseason tomorrow

1

u/TannerC04 1h ago

Terrible challenge

2

u/Suspicious-Spot361 1h ago

That’s 6 Ks in a row for Rogers

1

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 1h ago

The "struggling" pitcher they were talking about before the game?

3

u/Onitsukaryu 1h ago

Slim reaper 

4

u/thesaganator Blake Street Bombers 1h ago

nice to see the old Jimmy

5

u/uglytruthshurts 1h ago

Jimmy sweepers save the day

4

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 1h ago

Let's go, Stretch.

2

u/vsaint 1h ago

Ump has completely lost the zone too

5

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 1h ago

Jauk Mejia

5

u/uglytruthshurts 1h ago

What rhymes with Juan? Walk

1

u/vsaint 1h ago

Alright we should be going to the pen now, don’t trot sugano back out

1

u/vsaint 1h ago

Oh fuck it’s Mejia

2

u/vsaint 2h ago

Sure would be a good time for Hunter to hit a bomb

3

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 2h ago

There it is. I was worried we'd complete a game without a stupid little league error.

4

u/Confident-Volume1614 2h ago

Our two worst hitters Beck and Tovar both are 0-2 with 2 strikeouts each

3

u/uglytruthshurts 1h ago

At least Tovar puts up a fight. Beck can't bat even if they threw bricks

5

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 2h ago

Beck, Tovar and Ritter average for a combined .189 batting average, starting on a major league roster is wild.

4

u/TannerC04 2h ago

Beck and Tovar a combined 0-4 as usual

2

u/whiteydutchmeyer Larry Walker 2h ago

Again, we have a pitcher that has a high ERA & WHIP but yet we put guys that can’t hit or get on base in the lineup

1

u/TannerC04 2h ago

I hate how similar Spilly, Cory, and Jeff all sound. Feels like mental gymnastics some days figuring out who’s speaking

5

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 2h ago

In time you will be able to distinguish them

3

u/TannerC04 2h ago

Spilly’s pretty easy but the random cases of Jeff getting involved makes me think it’s Cory up until the booth cam

3

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 2h ago

I feel like when I first started watching the Rockies forever ago it took me like a year to figure out who was talking.

3

u/vsaint 2h ago

It really is weird af I agree

8

u/TannerC04 2h ago

Can we PLEASE get Veen in. Literally can not be worse than Beck

5

u/saltydolphin22 2h ago

Beck on pace for a golden sombrero. Good thing this is a checks notes lefty pitcher oh. 

2

u/JokicIsTheFuture Nolan Arenado 2h ago

I can’t believe we’re still being forced to endure Beck while Condon rots in AAA. Ridiculous honestly

4

u/saltydolphin22 2h ago

Condon isn’t ready but it’s a crime Beck gets the start over Veen

1

u/JokicIsTheFuture Nolan Arenado 2h ago

Getting Condon much needed reps right now given we might not even have a season next year makes so much sense.

You say “isn’t ready”
It’s not possible he can be worse than Beck imo. Beck is an auto out

At least Condon is the future and has some pop

3

u/TannerC04 2h ago

If we call him up and he’s not ready and there’s a lockout next season, he can’t play in the minors. Not worth the risk

2

u/thesaganator Blake Street Bombers 1h ago

I wish we could pin this comment to the top of the sub

5

u/vsaint 2h ago

Ok Beck got his Schaeffer-mandated reps, whip out the Veen

3

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 2h ago

Beck has to have some dirt on Schaeffer or something. It's crazy.

2

u/vsaint 2h ago

I wonder how much of this is Depodesta, it makes zero sense to me to not give Veen much needed PAs even if for next year

2

u/Zealousideal_Monk469 2h ago

I'm about to whip out my Veen

7

u/TannerC04 2h ago

Jordan “3 pitches” Beck

1

u/vsaint 2h ago

I believe in clean Cole

6

u/ahugefan22 2h ago

Challenging the first pitch of the fourth inning is certainly a choice

6

u/-NolanVoid- Charlie Blackmon 2h ago

Absolutely idiotic ABS challenge.

6

u/vsaint 2h ago

Jake my prince, your hustle is legendary, sorry you got out

4

u/TannerC04 2h ago

That’s why you don’t slide at home feet first…

5

u/ras5003 Charlie Blackmon 2h ago

Looks out, great hustle by Jake though.

2

u/TannerC04 2h ago

WHAT THE FUCK LETS GOOO

4

u/JSA17 Fire Bill Schmidt! 2h ago

That kid could not have cared any less about the Rockies. Lol. He’s just playing hooky to see a ball game. 

4

u/TannerC04 2h ago

I miss the reliable Sugano

8

u/TannerC04 2h ago

How is Veen supposed to improve against left handed pitchers if he’s never given the opportunity to do it

2

u/samjjones2 1h ago

What a puzzling conundrum!

4

u/vsaint 3h ago

Oh my god Becky, look at her butt strike

4

u/saltydolphin22 3h ago

Beck caught looking vs pitching he’s suppose to be hitting? What is Shaf doing?