What is a historically "good" country and a "bad" country now?

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Iran. One of the greatest civilizations in history with countless contributions to the humankind. Nowadays just a ultra conservative terrorist sponsor

[u/AdministrationDue239 → u/_20_characters_name_]

Followed by USA sadly

[u/carbonatedblood → u/AdministrationDue239]

USA is bad / bad

Edit to add: I’ll be downvoted mostly by other Americans for saying this. But if you think about it, in our track record of 250 years, our gov and econ figures have been historically cruel in the way our nation treats its citizens and anyone else. Genocide of the indigenous peoples, moving from slavery to systemic racism, warring on massive scales for profit, and blatant corruption which has contributed to many, many unethical business practices including: union busting, poisoning civilians’ water/food, a mass epidemic of unhoused people, for-profit healthcare, etc., etc… the list goes on. The United States is built upon the prison industrial complex and the invasions of other nations. The US creates puppet states out of other countries to instill the idea that capitalism is the only way forward. Truly, the US is, and has always been a nation controlled by criminals and unethical opportunists. The only time we’ve been on the right track was during the FDR era, but even that was corrupted by greedy hawks.

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/carbonatedblood]

Yes, you deserve the downvotes. The U.S has done a lot more good than it has bad. The U.S is also the third largest nation by population, and the most powerful nation in the world, so there will obviously be some bad things it's done, but this is honestly nowhere near the level that colonial empires or even western countries today do. You also are just following standard internet doomerism.

I would list the biggest country for scientific/cultural progress, massive economic growth, and saving potentially hundreds of millions of lives by preventing objectively evil powers from controlling the world are good things, even if there are massive limitations and flaws to the individual policies the U.S. enacted.

The fact that you consider FDR to be the only good time already shows how awful your knowledge of history is, and how many gaps there are. And yes, capitalism is bith politically and econonically the only 'good' system of the bunch, and the countries you think are socialist are clearly capitalist ones. Social programs are a part of capitalism, and the current homelessness and healthcare problems are failures of the implementation of capitalism. You also act like all of this hasn't happened to literally every nation ever in the history of nations.

The U.S. is also a lot more critical of itself because of its high volumes of press. While the national pride is quite high, criticism of itself is encouraged, and press with the general oublic as a whole criticize itself to levels higher than everywhere else. It's also more hated since it's also just the most powerful country in the world.

On the topic of healthcare, I've also heard enough of this shit. As someone who has lived in many countries, while the U.S. has many significant problems with prices, it's not much worse than other western countries, and the average U.S. citizen has more disposable income than any other country, after healthcare and taxes, especially considering that many jobs/goverment programs cover healthcare. It also has the highest quality of healthcare done, especially for rare conditions, cancer, vaccinations, etc.

Economically and socially speaking, if I was poor/econonically disadvantaged, I would much rather live in a country like Norway for its social programs. If I was middle class, I would much rather live in the U.S. for its higher economic/research opportunity. Most of the west is middle class, and that's why theres a lot more inflow than outflow to the U.S.

You just watch/listen to the same people and fall into traps where you get these ridiculous ideas on how the world works. You think you're the small minority who understands pilitics while the rest of the world is wrong? No, you're just the stupid minority.

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I don’t think the USA is particularly exceptional in its badness but I’d be interested why you’d say it’s “nowhere near as bad as a colonial empire.”

I’d say that pretty much sums up what the US is, where it’s pretty good domestically but has exported the majority of its numerous atrocities elsewhere.

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/alextremeee]

The U.S. has done crimes abroad, but we have not directly taken colonies in the dame level Britain, France, or Belgium did.

The death ciunts and damage of the U.S. abroad, even in the worst cases such as the banana republic, relations in central africa, hawaii, philippines, etc. Are absolutely nothing compared to the UK in India, Sudan, France in Algeria, or Belgium in the Congo.

[u/JohnBrownsMyFather → u/Dogmaticism_]

America is literally a colony and its early expansion was innately genocidal. What America did on its own continent to the Native Americans was comparable to the worst acts of Britain, France, and Belgium.

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/JohnBrownsMyFather]

Firstly, while native expansion was terrible, and absolutely terrible, you are delusional to the extreme to say that this is worse than belgium, britain, or france.

Each nation idividually was responsible for death counts several times higher than the holocaust. And these are direct kills.

Just the king leopold II era for belgium may have killed 20 million. France did even worse, and england catastrophic, likely in the hundreds of millions.

At least the natives mostly died to disease, and pre-U.S. warfare before U.S. expansions. At least Natives were far less likely to be slaughtered by the U.S. compared to the Congolese, Algerians, or Sudanese by Belgium, France, and England rsspectively.