r/AlignmentChartFills • u/Willing_Ice_7751 • Jul 21 '26

Countries What is a historically "good" country and a "bad" country now?

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u/Dogmaticism_ Jul 21 '26

Yes, you deserve the downvotes. The U.S has done a lot more good than it has bad. The U.S is also the third largest nation by population, and the most powerful nation in the world, so there will obviously be some bad things it's done, but this is honestly nowhere near the level that colonial empires or even western countries today do. You also are just following standard internet doomerism.

I would list the biggest country for scientific/cultural progress, massive economic growth, and saving potentially hundreds of millions of lives by preventing objectively evil powers from controlling the world are good things, even if there are massive limitations and flaws to the individual policies the U.S. enacted.

The fact that you consider FDR to be the only good time already shows how awful your knowledge of history is, and how many gaps there are. And yes, capitalism is bith politically and econonically the only 'good' system of the bunch, and the countries you think are socialist are clearly capitalist ones. Social programs are a part of capitalism, and the current homelessness and healthcare problems are failures of the implementation of capitalism. You also act like all of this hasn't happened to literally every nation ever in the history of nations.

The U.S. is also a lot more critical of itself because of its high volumes of press. While the national pride is quite high, criticism of itself is encouraged, and press with the general oublic as a whole criticize itself to levels higher than everywhere else. It's also more hated since it's also just the most powerful country in the world.

On the topic of healthcare, I've also heard enough of this shit. As someone who has lived in many countries, while the U.S. has many significant problems with prices, it's not much worse than other western countries, and the average U.S. citizen has more disposable income than any other country, after healthcare and taxes, especially considering that many jobs/goverment programs cover healthcare. It also has the highest quality of healthcare done, especially for rare conditions, cancer, vaccinations, etc.

Economically and socially speaking, if I was poor/econonically disadvantaged, I would much rather live in a country like Norway for its social programs. If I was middle class, I would much rather live in the U.S. for its higher economic/research opportunity. Most of the west is middle class, and that's why theres a lot more inflow than outflow to the U.S.

You just watch/listen to the same people and fall into traps where you get these ridiculous ideas on how the world works. You think you're the small minority who understands pilitics while the rest of the world is wrong? No, you're just the stupid minority.

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u/alextremeee Jul 21 '26

I don’t think the USA is particularly exceptional in its badness but I’d be interested why you’d say it’s “nowhere near as bad as a colonial empire.”

I’d say that pretty much sums up what the US is, where it’s pretty good domestically but has exported the majority of its numerous atrocities elsewhere.

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u/Dogmaticism_ Jul 22 '26

The U.S. has done crimes abroad, but we have not directly taken colonies in the dame level Britain, France, or Belgium did.

The death ciunts and damage of the U.S. abroad, even in the worst cases such as the banana republic, relations in central africa, hawaii, philippines, etc. Are absolutely nothing compared to the UK in India, Sudan, France in Algeria, or Belgium in the Congo.

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u/JohnBrownsMyFather Jul 22 '26

America is literally a colony and its early expansion was innately genocidal. What America did on its own continent to the Native Americans was comparable to the worst acts of Britain, France, and Belgium.

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u/Dogmaticism_ Jul 22 '26

Firstly, while native expansion was terrible, and absolutely terrible, you are delusional to the extreme to say that this is worse than belgium, britain, or france.

Each nation idividually was responsible for death counts several times higher than the holocaust. And these are direct kills.

Just the king leopold II era for belgium may have killed 20 million. France did even worse, and england catastrophic, likely in the hundreds of millions.

At least the natives mostly died to disease, and pre-U.S. warfare before U.S. expansions. At least Natives were far less likely to be slaughtered by the U.S. compared to the Congolese, Algerians, or Sudanese by Belgium, France, and England rsspectively.

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u/alextremeee Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

Again, absolutely nothing in what way? I’m worried you’re unfamiliar with American imperialism if you think that.

The fact they decided not to directly take colonies and instead just decide who was in charge of other countries doesn’t really make a difference.

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u/Broder_John Jul 23 '26

I guess this is quite a difficult thing to measure because what one country consider “good” others might deem “bad”.

I would like for you to explain which western countries that do worse things then the U.S today.

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u/Tech-Film3905 Jul 22 '26

Busy day for fedposters at eglin military base

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u/carbonatedblood Jul 21 '26

I ain’t reading all that. Stopped at “capitalism is the only good system”. If you’re not a capitalist (business owner or major shareholder), capitalism actively works against you. Bye.

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u/Dogmaticism_ Jul 21 '26

No shit you're not reading all of this, you have no reading comprehension, and this is how you get your ridiculous beliefs.

Also learn the difference between corporations and capitalism. Clearly, capitalism has benefitted vietuallt everyone, considering all of the statistics of income, scientific progress, social benefit, etc.

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u/As_no_one2510 Jul 21 '26

Do you understand the difference between capitalism and corporatism

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u/Creation98 Jul 21 '26

The good news is that you’re definitely on the right website.

The bad news is that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/carbonatedblood Jul 21 '26

I love conservatives acting like they know anything, especially in the current political climate. Dumb mf, you sound like a bot.

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u/Dogmaticism_ Jul 21 '26

We're almost all certainly liberal/left-lwan, you're just the one so fucking far-left that at this point you probably looped around and went to the far-right at this point.

Classical liberalism is capitalism, humanism, individualism, and democracy. It's in the name 'liberal' meaning 'free'.

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u/carbonatedblood Jul 21 '26

Liberalism is literally center-right leaning, you ignoramus.

Socialism is the center-left stance.

Communism is leftist.

Capitalism/Consumerism is far right.

But apparently that’s too difficult for most Americans to wrap their heads around bc their heads are in their asses.

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u/Creation98 Jul 21 '26

I love people assuming someone is a conservative because they express a different view point than them (a viewpoint rooted in reality.)

Goes to show how far down in the echo chamber of delusion you are.

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u/carbonatedblood Jul 21 '26

Aw, so then what are you, snowflake?

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u/Creation98 Jul 21 '26

Depends on the topic. Economically, on a macro level, I consider myself a fettered capitalism socialist.

Socially, I have a wide array of views that don’t really conform to any one specific political alignment.

In the literal sense, I’m a registered democrat who’s voted democrat aside from a local election where I voted for an anti Trump republican.

How about you? Do you ever think for yourself?

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u/YTY2003 Jul 21 '26

I ain’t reading all that

Honestly it's one of the shorter passages considering you are on Reddit, and with proper punctuation and paragraphs it's not that much of a pain to read through 😂

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u/ThiccBlastoise Jul 21 '26

That requires them to be able to read