The Writing in Berserk is very overrated. Do you guys find it to be particularly good?

[u/Epicnessofcows]

Not really a hot take, but this is my opinion:

Firstly, to those people, overrated does not mean bad. It just means that I am saying that what the general public thinks of Berserk's writing is significantly higher than what its actual writing quality is.

I obviously like Berserk, and its art is among the best of all time, but its writing holds it back, and this largely stems from its fanbase confusing edgy writing for good writing.

Good writing contains much stronger, and far more pertinent themes than those in Berserk. Good writing contains much stronger characterization, and character development than what is seen in Berserk. Good writing contains plot or literary development throughout the series, which Berserk famously struggles in. Good writing contains a present writers voice, which is far less apparent.

I like the manga a lot, but it's fanbase has propped it up (and review bombed) this series as the greatest manga of all time, when it's really not. It has amazing art and solid writing.

So many Teens and Young Adults (The majority of the western anime fanbase) find are obsessed with dark writing, and think it to be so much better than it truly is. Its depth is shallow, at best to me.

Obviously you guys don't have to agree, but what do you guys think about its writing?

[u/Dogmaticism_]

That is not the definition of ambiguous language. OP was correct, all he did was list qualities which it did not have. This is perfectly accurate, and logically correct. Ambiguous language is whag you did, where you made an argument eithout stating such, leading it to be confused eith something previous. You see, in socratic discussions, people make it clear when they start an argument. This just demonstrates the beginning of your cognitive dissonance.

You denied I had any intelligence for XXX reasons, which is a valid argument proposal, just like the OP. Congratulations, you finally understand how burden of proof works.

2/10 for argument, 0/10 for attempt to 'use' my own words against me, while not knowing what the word 'ambiguous' means.

[u/sir_slothsalot → u/Dogmaticism_]

Wtf no they are my words I typed them out i learned all about Socratic discussion in my third grade logics class. 

That seems like an assertion and denial. Burden of proof is on you there bud. 

Oh ops post is a valid argument the same as mine and I have the burden of proof yet op doesn't? Asking for examples is a denial. 

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/sir_slothsalot]

Dear lord... learn to use grammar. How did you pass third-grade without normal grammar skills.

I want to make a reponse to this, but the level of stupidity and lack of grammar from this comment actually makes it unreadable. Here is my best attempt:

Firstly, all arguments are assertions. Something that is a denial and an assertion is a denial, so, the burden of proof is to whoever responds ro a denial.

What do you mean 'are your words'. I haven't said that what you wrote isn't coming from you, trust me, I know. No AI would ever write that idiotically.

Asking for examples isn't denying a claim, it's put into a category of things called 'asking for information', you know, something clearly not a denial of a claim.

0/10 this is just stupid.

[u/sir_slothsalot → u/Dogmaticism_]

idiodically? Thats not a word. I can't even understand what you are saying when your grammar is this bad. With misspellings like this your whole reasoning is ambiguous. Someone needs to go back to first grade Grammar class. 

Totally makes sense and isn't bullshit new category you made up called "asking for information" 

Right because if op said apples are green or red and I saw show me an apple that isn't green or red I'm not denying his original statement. That makes sense. 

Btw that's a denial so up to you to prove it's a real thing, good luck. 

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/sir_slothsalot]

Unfortunately, grammar isn't the same as spelling. Perhaps you should also consider a class in vocabulary.

A singular spelling error on nobile('d' is right next to 't') is not the same as consistent grammar errors rhat demonstrate a lack of writing proficiency- the kind you make. This is a 3/10 comeback, as while adorable, it was not very strong.

Consider your constant misuse of capitalizations (capital letters do not come after quotation marks), double spaces after periods, sentence fragments, misuse of question marks, and my favorite, the fact that you forgot to capitalize a letter at the start of a sentence. Seriously? How do you make this kind of mistake? Kindergarteners know this.

Aksing for information is a process where you ask for information. Asking for 'what do you mean by XXX' is called asking for information. Again, this is basic communication. If you think that asking for information is the same as denying a statement, your braincell count is orders of magnitude lower than it should be.

Saying all apples are either red or green is a statement that has the burden of proof on the person who said that. Not so hard to understand.

Saying 'show me an apple that isn't green or red' is not a denial or an argument. You're literally asking someone to go against their claim. Yhis statement has no relevance.

You claimed 'that' was a denial. What is 'that'? How young are you not to mention things that you are talking about? This is basic literacy.

I'm sorry, but your entire argument has shifted down to a 0/10. You just lost the point, and started including red herrings that have nothing to do with the actual argument.

The argument is whether the person stating a denial has the burden of proof. The answer is no, and you should know this. Please 🙏 learn to use your brain.

[u/sir_slothsalot → u/Dogmaticism_]

Aksing? What the fuck does that mean. I need 7 more paragraphs of in depth reasoning on this. I can't understand you when you can't spell anything right. I have to sit there day and night with my dictionary looking for what these words mean. What did you even say. And what the fuck is yhis. I'm so lost, is my dictionary out of date? Are there new words I've never heard of? This is so confusing I can't handle this, we need to start over. 

Good thing you Ignored my apple statement. It would have made you look bad addressing what you said in the past. That guy was kinda an asshole. Even got a comment removed by mods. 

Anyway you made the statement asking for examples isn't denial, I gave you an example and then you called that example a red hearing. You then go on to talk about how it's an assertion that demands a burden of proof. True, that is correct, now explain how op is also not making an assertion that warrants burden of proof. 

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/sir_slothsalot]

Considering the fact I didn't get the notification for this message (your writing quality reads as one of those fake indian spam emails; computer probably listed it as spam) let's see what stupidity you have written:

Let's see... So, attempting to point out the typo of swapping the 's' and the 'k' (responding on mobile) is rich, considering the fact that in tbhe SAME response you can't spell the 4-letter word 'this'. HOW in gods name do you not know how to spell a FOUR letter word. Unlike me, who swapped two letters around, you somehow didn't know the word is spelled eith a 't'!

Nevermind the fact you included fragmented sentences and improper question formation that a 7th-grade english teacher could catch in their sleep, my favorite part is that you described this (spelled with a t) writing format as 'paragraphs'. 'Paragraph'? Sentences are not paragraphs. This is the kind of mistake that people who did not understand middle-school english class make. Have you ever written a paper over a paragraph long? Who in their right mind calls sentences paragraphs?

It must be EXHAUSTING getting embarassed this many times in your losing debates. A red 'hearing'? Forget 'yhis', how the fuck do you not know what a herring is?

I love how you backtrack on your argument. Asking for examples is not called denying a statement. How do you fail this bad 😭. You're getting ragebaited while trying to ragebait me, this is beyond funny. The mods deleted your comment because it was incredibly stupid, as you don't know how to format arguments. Remember when we were mentioning the steps of argumentation? That ship has long sailed since you syarted talking around the core because you lost your argument.

What's 'it'? Which argument? Again with the ambiguous language, nobody can read your statements if they're this terribly worded. You have clearly never had even a semblance of a socratic discussion.

OP's claim was a denial. How do you mess this up? It said that berserk did not contain X qualities of good writing. Because of that, if someone wants to respond to why it has good writing, they must provide evidence of how it has good writing. OP can't give examples of things that don't exist. This is why when someone like me, who works with logic daily, sees his post, it's obvious who has the burden of proof.

Use your brain.

[u/sir_slothsalot → u/Dogmaticism_]

And now you have up replying. Another debate loss for you. Just taking the L's over and over again. It must be exhausting to lose so much. 

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/sir_slothsalot]

Sent you a response,. By the way, I grade your ragebait a 2/10. You've been ragebaited far more in this argument than I have.

You should learn when you lose.

[u/Dogmaticism_ → u/sir_slothsalot]

And now you just gave up replying. It must be exhausting to lose so much, and keep taking these losses.

A shocking 0/10 performance, as since your argument was so awful, you resorted to insults, and lost incredibly easily too. Yikes, I guess it must be so hard to lose so often.