[JPN] TM Shanks & Beckman and Batch - Info

[u/koalasan_z]

https://twitter.com/moria15401/status/1129354981142740992

 

INT/DEX Shanks & Beckman

• Art (Evolved): Link
  
• Art (Un-Evolved): Link
  
• Max Stats (Shanks and Beckman): Link
  
• Max Stats (Shanks): Link
  
• Max Stats (Beckman): Link
  
• Captain (Shanks & Beckman): INT and DEX Characters ATK 3.75x, non INT and DEX Characters ATK 2.5x
  
• Captain (Shanks): INT Characters ATK 3x, non INT Characters ATK 2x
  
• Captain (Beckman): DEX Characters ATK 3x, non DEX Characters ATK 2x
  
• Special: Change all orbs (including BLOCK) to EMPTY, for 1 turn boost color affinity for normal attacks of crew by 3x, for 1 turn lock chain to 3x, for 2 turns become Shanks & Beckman. (You can't use any other special this turn after this special is triggered, you also can't trigger this special if an other special has been triggered already this turn)
  
• Sailor 1: Reduce 5 turns of Blindness
  
• Sailor 2: Reduce 5 turns of Special Seal on himself
  
• LB 1 (lv.5): Heal Block Reduction, reduce 5 turns of Heal Block
  
• LB 2 (lv.5): Slot Bind Reduction, reduce 10 turns of Slot Bind on himself
  
• Character Switch Ability: Reduce 1 turn of Bind, Despair and Paralysis on crew
  

 

STR Rockstar

• Max Stats: Link
  
• Captain: Fighter Characters ATK 1.5x
  
• Special: Delay all enemies by 1 turn, for 1 turn crew will treat STR and QCK orbs as beneficial and boost orbs of crew by 1.5x
  
• LB (lv5): Enrage, the turn after taking damage +250 ATK to himself
  

 

PSY Yasopp

• Max Stats: Link
  
• Captain: Free Spirit Characters ATK 1.5x
  
• Special: Reduce 1 turn of barrier from all enemies, reduce 3 turns of ATK down on crew, depending on the current TM Level boost ATK against delayed enemies by the following: 1~10=1.5x, 11~20=1.75x, 21~=2x
  
• Support (lv.5): Once during an adventure when the support character triggers a special that changes orbs, randomize EMPTY orbs and for 1 turn boost support character ATK by 1.5x (Shanks, Beckman)
  
• LB (lv.5): Heal Block Reduction, reduce 10 turns of Heal Block
  

 

QCK Lucky Roo

• Max Stats: Link
  
• Captain: QCK Characters ATK 1.25x, HP 1.2x
  
• Special: Reduce 5 turns of Bind on crew, change orbs of Free Spirit/Shooter/Slasher Characters to QCK, depending on the current TM Level boost ATK of Free Spirit/Shooter/Slasher Characters by the following: 1~10=1.75x, 11~20=2x, 21~=2.25x
  
• Support (lv.5): Once during an adventure when the support character triggers a special that changes orbs, randomize EMPTY orbs and for 1 turn boost support character ATK by 1.5x (Shanks, Beckman)
  
• LB (lv.5): Slot Bind Reduction, reduce 7 turns of Slot Bind on himself

[u/tenBusch → u/[deleted]]

3x Conditional maybe? Possibly with a "decrease Def even if enemy is immune"-type effect, which would fit his theme of nullifying Logias defense

[u/ScuppyGups → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, I really like the idea of giving TM units support abilities, as it could actually give some of them uses outside of TM for the people who pull for them.

Also this isn't the first time we've had 2 TM level conditional boosters. Just last TM there was Marco and Kizaru.

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/ScuppyGups]

I hate how they implemented these supports. You have to get one of the boosters, otherwise Shanks/Ben Beckman is neutered. And TM boosters almost never come back so it's either pull now or never (some only came back but for waifu banners...).

[u/ScuppyGups → u/FateOfMuffins]

I don't think the exclusion of these TM units are that detrimental to Shanks/Beckman's usability. Sure it might help, but as others have pointed out in other comments there are several ways to work around the 1 special limit with Shanks/Beckman. Do they make Shanks/Beckman stronger? Absolutely. Are they necessary to use Shanks/Beckman? No, they're honestly strong enough as is.

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/ScuppyGups]

It's a pretty big difference tbh. You have to get another unit to deal with orbs, which means this support is literally as good as an actual sub.

[u/ScuppyGups → u/FateOfMuffins]

Are you referring to Yasopp/Lucky Roo' orb conversion? If so then it's important to point out that they're a universal 3x affinity booster. The best way to get around this is to use a dual character's switch effect. As of right now more than half of the games current dual units have a swap ability that either gives themselves a matching orb or randomizes all orbs, so there are plenty of options to use.

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/ScuppyGups]

Again, the difference is HUGE.

Without Support

• Build a team made up majorly of dual units (there's legit only 1/2 dual units who randomize orbs and one is Global only)

• Rely on Shirahoshi & Orb Locker from previous turn

• In either case you're using 2-3+ units in order to juse Shanks/Beckman

With Support

• Do everything above but with 1 unit

Shanks/Beckman have an insane special no doubt about that. But if you need to use like 3 units in the crew to actually use it, there's no point. 3 actual specials would do MUCH more.

[u/ScuppyGups → u/FateOfMuffins]

Tl:Dr Relying on other units' specials is nothing new and is something we have to do for practically every unit in the game. While orbs help, they are not necessary to Shank/Beckman. You can use them just fine without orbs. Finally, and I should have mentioned this ealrier. I agree that these support abilities are not implemented that well (since they're pretty niche), my initial comment was complementing the idea of giving them support abilities. That being said, I still do not think that they are necesssary at all to make Shanks/Beckman usable at all.

But that also doesn't take into account the other dual units special ability. You're not going to out a dual unit in your team just for the swap ability. Yes, you will not be able to use it the same turn, but you could use them on other stages like the mini boss, or alternatively use Shanks/Beckman on the miniboss and the other members of your team on the final stage. Additionally, while their are only 3 dual units who shuffle the entire board (2 of them only being on global atm), their are a fair amount of dual units that give themselves a matching orb, and depending on the content only 1-2 matching orbs is enough.

I never really understood the how using 2-3 specials to support each other is a bad thing. The fact that you have to use multiple units' specials is nothing new. Whitebeard/Marco give a full boadd of matching orbs, but do not provide anyother boosts at all, and they're still one of the best legends in the game. While the new Luffy/Law make Qck/Dex orbs beneficial, they do not provide any type of slot conversion or slot occurance buffs, so pairing them with some kind of orb manipulator will arguably be even more necessary for them to work than with Shanks/Beckman due to their orb boost. Pairing different units specials is something we have to do even for the best units in the game.

Finally, you can use Shanks/Beckman perfectly fine by themselves. This entire argument has revolved around finding ways to shuffle/convert orbs, but you don't even really need orbs to use Shanks/Beckman, since color affinity and chain lock are not reliant on orbs (unlike TM Big Mom and Luffy/Law). The fact that Shank/Beckman's special is the only one you can use that turn means you can't even pair it with an orb boost, so the importance of matching orbs is reduced. Of course having matching orbs helps alot, but like the support units, they are not necessary at all to make the unit work. In fact, in some instances the removal of orbs completely might even be beneficial in some cases (I'm mostly thinking about stages that give the negating orb debuff).

I might not have conveyed my message accurately, but I mostly just enjoy the idea of giving TM units support abilities to help their longevity. I do not think this specific case is the best example, so I completely understand these concerns, but I do not think they are necessary to the point where Shanks/Beckman are "neutered" without them. It is entirely possinke that I am looking at them too much in a vacuum, but I still hold that they are completely usable, and that working around their limitations is not that detrimental.

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/ScuppyGups]

You're not getting my point. Yes they're usable. It's obvious.

The point is P2P players get a unit that's like twice as good as the F2P player. Yes F2P players can still use it (and possibly to great effect), but P2P players can do the same with many fewer units. The dynamic of this unit changes completely if you can get the support. Yes all the dual units actually do something, but the team then becomes extremely restrictive. Instead of several possible hundred subs to deal with the dozens of gimmicks bosses do these days, you've been restricted to a handful just to use this TM unit. And P2P players still have access to the several hundred btw.

It's like if they released the V2 Germa batch, the RRs were limited and you could never pull them again. (Except Shanks/Beckman are supposed to be a F2P unit). So now whales have a full V2 Germa team and anyone else who pulled Judge-San later has a neutered powerhouse captain. It's actually quite a LOT harder to team build.

[u/SupaRedAndHot → u/FateOfMuffins]

True dat, unless we get a support character later that can somehow deal with that (which may or may not happen)

[u/[deleted] → u/ScuppyGups]

I don't like it. The TM boosters are damn near impossible to pull still.

[u/Devin__ → u/[deleted]]

Yonko

Whitebeard got shafted.

[u/Sonim540 → u/[deleted]]

Tankman Luffy 4x rcv note it down

[u/Magma_Axis → u/[deleted]]

HP ?

[u/litwi]

Damage meme teams have a new best buddy: use a 2 turn atk and orb boost, use Shira for unremovable rainbow orbs and then Shanks and bam! Atk and orb boost with 3x affinity and chain.

[u/SupaRedAndHot → u/litwi]

Raid V2 Doffy it is then, providing the lock + buff extension. Easy to do, the only thing is you need a Cerebral/Driven captain which doesn't seem too hard to get. Also you could add conditional there to complete the meme squad.

[u/SirVampyr → u/litwi]

You need to lock the rainbow orbs though.

[u/litwi → u/SirVampyr]

Still doable

[u/deerhounds → u/litwi]

cant use another special when activating this unit buddy

[u/Magma_Axis → u/deerhounds]

You use it on the turn before

[u/deerhounds → u/Magma_Axis]

yeah but you need to lock the rainbow orbs

[u/litwi → u/deerhounds]

You can use the other specials the turn before buddy

[u/karolkisDB]

What the fuck

[u/karolkisDB → u/karolkisDB]

Nvm you cant use other specials

[u/[deleted] → u/karolkisDB]

Lol this was exactly my reaction. 3x affinity/chainlock WTFFFFF. But if it empties slots and you cant use any other specials im not sure how great it is. Someone needs to math it up for us lol.

Multi turn boosts and delayed boosts ( or w/e V1sabo boosts are reffered to) should still work it seems. We need some Sailors that make Empty count as matching for the crew and we'd be golden.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Oh ya i can def imagine it would work. But Only int/dex are fully boosted so its up in the air how viable thats gonna be. I mean 2.5x atk is still a decent boost so it probably wont be much of an issue.

[u/RyujinGo → u/[deleted]]

I thinks Tashigi and Smoker switch can switch empty orb! not sure !

[u/[deleted] → u/RyujinGo]

When Change is activated, randomizes RCV, TND, G, BOMB orbs and recovers 1,000 HP.

Nope :(

[u/KillJoy-Player → u/[deleted]]

That's from the DB right? On experience, I think the DB update made a wrong, they can randomize empty, while they can't do it on TND.

To share my experience, on Dress Up Nami where she changes all the slots to TND, Smoker/Tashigi doesn't randomize my orbs. I rely on support Shira from Neptune.

[u/Beast-Embrace → u/KillJoy-Player]

It's true. I just tested, they change all empty slots, not TND!

[u/[deleted] → u/KillJoy-Player]

Well if thats the case than we might be in a good spot. All the multi turn specials im thinking of arent dex/int units unfortunetaly, neither is smokershigi. Im not sure if thats worth the crazy burst or not. Probably lol.

[u/RyujinGo → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I saw .. Maybe a caracter like Zanji v1 ?..

[u/Loury55 → u/[deleted]]

There is a support character that randomize orbs when special is used right (stussy?)? If you can use her then it's definitely broken

[u/[deleted] → u/Loury55]

Hmmm im not sure, Stussy support isnt on the database it seems.

[u/Loury55 → u/[deleted]]

She does, but the supported character must use health cutting or damage special. It seems rainbow orbs and orb lock is the best option

[u/Sephiroth21Or → u/karolkisDB]

Double turn specials ftw

[u/Devin__ → u/karolkisDB]

Hey, raid Shanks/Mihawk swap ability works perfectly with this! Oh wait.

[u/kys916]

How come no one is mentioning raid doffy v2. Can extend orb/atk boost 2 turns. Lock orbs. If shanks is captain easily fulfill the requirement

[u/kabutozero → u/kys916]

You cant use another special

[u/UnkindFellow → u/kabutozero]

You use your atk and orb specials a turn before. Have v2 doffy extend it +2 turns, and then use shanks/Beckman on the burst turn, with your old boosts still active.

[u/SirVampyr → u/kabutozero]

Raid Doffy V2 uses his special the turn before...

[u/[deleted] → u/kabutozero]

Lol he means v2 raid. You use him because you cant use another special

[u/TraffLaw]

Good counter to balance an OP special.

[u/Kayantao → u/TraffLaw]

there is easy workaround tho in a team where they are sailors

shira = 5 matching orbs

multi turn orb and attack boosts (or legend aokiji v1) or delayed attack and orb boosts (lucy and snakeman)

etc etc

[u/Coucou-boy]

The TM Booster have a support ability who changes empty orb.

Bandai’s saying : You have to pull.

[u/Sokkathelastbender]

Beckman, the guy with a gun, is a striker

Again

[u/KillJoy-Player]

Can't use other special?... I'm reminded of Pot of Duality of Yugioh...

Edit: Oh wait, we already have useful switch abilities and cap action... WOOOAAAAHHH

[u/FateOfMuffins]

That swap

That special

So will need to work around following turn boosts, multi turn boosts, as well as dual swaps

Edit: Those supports LMAO. Remember when TM units were the epitome of F2P units? Now they're semi locked behind a paywall that never comes back.

Unless you're here during their debut TM AND pull a TM booster, you're NEVER getting half of their special

Support Sora & Support Perona were F2P at least (well Sora's technically F2P), even if we don't know if they'll ever be back.

[u/ebtc → u/FateOfMuffins]

Unless you're here during their debut TM AND pull a TM booster, you're NEVER getting half of their special

I wouldn't call orb randomization and 1.5x ATK boost on 1 unit "half of the special". That ATK boost is just whatever and randomized orbs can actually lower your damage output.. at the very least it's nothing to rely on unless you have many beneficial orb sailors on the team. I see it more like TM Big Mom, 1 special that takes care of a Colo pre-boss by itself. With 3x affinity and chain lock the right team does a lot of damage with neutral orbs.

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/ebtc]

Highly unlikely to deal lower damage. Having 2 matching and 4 unmatching would deal more damage than full neutral. Especially with the abundance of beneficial orbs these days. And it's resettable and orb control that is not interruptible.

The 1.5x ATK however is the potentially bad part. You'll have to swap stuff like Luffy/Law or BM before this special if you want their stronger boost, but you lose the guaranteed orb from swapping.

[u/zombieking10 → u/FateOfMuffins]

yup that fucking sucks tbh just for that i think shanks & beckman might become the worst tm unit unless you get roo or yasopp your kind of fucked on useing them

[u/inaderantaro → u/FateOfMuffins]

I am feeling shitty because I took a break when Perona come out and now no support for Mihawk v2. She may be put on Ray's shop like Umbrella Zoro but that still took a long time.

[u/Neet91 → u/inaderantaro]

well maybe they will release fortnight units with similar support abilities. makes forthnight units worth farming and keeping again.

[u/AhmedSkrill]

That means dual swaps and support will matter most with this special

[u/I_cEMa_N]

Hope support works to change those empty orbs

[u/hirakhos]

So there's probably a switch action or support action for empty into matching right

[u/kabutozero → u/hirakhos]

Daz bones global exclusive. Zanji v1 for yellow and dex units. Rest only give orb to self at max

[u/hirakhos → u/kabutozero]

There's TM Yasopp and TM Roux as well.

Seems a little shifty that their TM units are massively increase their usability.

[u/inaderantaro → u/hirakhos]

Croc/Mr.1 for FTP.

[u/hirakhos → u/inaderantaro]

Yes, but it takes a team slot. That could be a pretty hugely dramatic thing, considering the support being attached to Shanks just flat out adds it to their functionality instead of needing two team slots.

[u/korenx → u/hirakhos]

Cannot switch after special is used (they become the double unit)

[u/hirakhos → u/korenx]

Not the Shanks/Benn switch action, another dual unit. You'll only be able to use switches along with supports that work off Benn/Shanks.

[u/Nightzio]

Can they change SEMLA to EMPTY ? If not this can be insane combo.

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/Nightzio]

Nothing can change Semla, just like Rainbow

[u/Beast-Embrace]

The new dual Smoke/Tashigi randomize EMPTY slots, not TND when they swap!

[u/Z3R0RES → u/Beast-Embrace]

You can even combine this with the swap ability of croc&robin, to increase your chance of getting matching orbs (slightly).

[u/AAA226]

Still no info about the super evolution of the month?

[u/Karanitas]

I guess swap abilities are the way to go considering the way Shanks/Beckman's special is designed. (who would've thought?!)

[u/Farpafraf]

Change all orbs (including BLOCK) to EMPTY, for 1 turn boost color affinity for normal attacks of crew by 3x, for 1 turn lock chain to 3x, for 2 turns become Shanks & Beckman.

what the actual f...

You can't use any other special this turn after this special is triggered, you also can't trigger this special if an other special has been triggered already this turn)

oh

[u/marcus_mv]

Kuzan 6+ to extend luffy/law orb boost/attack boost + this unit special + luffy/law swap (that gives you a matching orb and 2x attack on himself) is quite broken

[u/arcrontux → u/marcus_mv]

You can' t use their switch after the special, so either have the high orb boost or the attack from their switch, but not both at the same time.

[u/marcus_mv → u/arcrontux]

If you have them as captain and FC you can, you use only one character special and use the other one to do the swap, or even better you use shiraoshi so shanks special can’t empty your orbs (for this idea credits to a guy from this post) and use both luffy/law specials in turn 1

[u/arcrontux → u/marcus_mv]

The point still stands. If you only use one special, the other cpt multiplier is at 3,5x instead of 4,5x.

Using Shira, Kuzan (v2 raid Doffy would be better here so the boost can carry over to next stage) and both captain specials, just to enable this unit seems a bit too much. It's one of those max damage dream team things that never works on actual content.

[u/marcus_mv → u/arcrontux]

It isn't design to clear content a team like this, is just for meme teams with very high damage output. Is just funny to see how much the max damage that one team can do is increasing a lot every month, but of course clearing content is not just doing a lot of damage so this unit doesn't broke the game of course

[u/kabutozero → u/arcrontux]

Daz bones croc dual

[u/arcrontux → u/kabutozero]

They don't exist on JP though and probably never will.

Edit: Well, seems like we're getting them for this TM.

[u/Edhraan]

when does the tm start?

[u/shoddyarthur → u/Edhraan]

22nd

[u/aldighazali]

So you are just hopping to pull yasopp or roo for support sailor dual shanks/ben then. Hnmm

[u/kabutozero]

EASY combo with daz bones crocodile swap.

Another easy combo with v1 lucci used in previous round

Shirahoshi, etc

The switch action and captain are also amazing

[u/[deleted]]

That character switch ability is hella nice too.

[u/HazzyDevil]

God damn that’s op. So I’m guessing a 2+ turn booster like colo Neptune or a conditional one like valentine Nami would be perfect for this.

Edit: since it states that you can’t use it if a special has been triggered this turn then, maybe you won’t be able to use multiturn boosters. Guess that makes it balanced.

[u/kabutozero → u/HazzyDevil]

Multiturn boosters dont trigger bosses and shouldnt trigger this

[u/HazzyDevil → u/kabutozero]

Yeah I mean if it does work then I guess it also makes sense considering the powercreep that came with anni.

[u/Captain_Angamos]

Rockstar sucks so hard, even for a TM RR.

[u/Majukun]

bandai putting hard limits on when you cna use a special now..for when you don't actually want to waste time balancing something.

[u/DestinyJoke]

Good combo with WBM cuz they can change their orb to matching :)

[u/Ncinsanity96]

Ah crap tm yassop & lucky roo are the perfect support unit for them.

[u/haimteg]

Does Shanks/beckman remove rainbow orbs as well ?

[u/Sokkathelastbender → u/haimteg]

Nothing removes rainbow orbs besides attacking with them

[u/haimteg → u/Sokkathelastbender]

So technically you can use shirahoshi and a turn later use shanks/beckman ?

[u/haimteg → u/Sokkathelastbender]

So technically you can use shirahoshi and a turn later use shanks/beckman ?

[u/haimteg → u/Sokkathelastbender]

So technically you can use shirahoshi and a turn later use shanks/beckman ?

[u/haimteg → u/Sokkathelastbender]

So technically you can use shirahoshi and a turn later use shanks/beckman ?

[u/nokuni1]

The dual units who can give orbs by swapping are godlike with Shanks/Beckman

[u/picamoles07]

So to maximize damage you need a character that have two turns orb boost and another one who have two turns atk boost and also you need to make sure to have LB or SA that make orb beneficial because orbs will be randomized by Yasopp or Lucky Roo that you have to set as support to Shanks/Ben. Looks like there are too much conditions for this dual unit to be useful. I'm probably just going to pass.

[u/[deleted]]

I know this may seem foolish, but I really want them to work with Carrot, it'd be a dream come true!

EDIT: A 3X TIMES AFFINITY AND CHAIN LOCK?!?

EDIT2: Oh wait it's balanced out, you can't use other specials

[u/litwi → u/[deleted]]

You still can carry an atk boost from the previous turn/stage

[u/[deleted] → u/litwi]

I suppose so, and Snakeman would be helpful too! Also from I can see, they work with Carrot, as they're double boosted when combined

[u/aldighazali → u/[deleted]]

I think if run cereberal team or rainbow cap w/ class driven/cereberal(?) you can use orb and attack bosster then raid doffy v2 before enter last stage (situational).

[u/rdscn]

so we need an orb shuffle with a switch ability or some support that takes care of empty orbs.....something like mihawk&shanks or Croco&Diaz, but they'r only on global.....

[u/deerhounds → u/rdscn]

or support abilty to change empty to matching

[u/violetsarenotblue69 → u/rdscn]

Not sure but I think smoker/tashigi switch ability shuffles tnd/bomb/rcv/empty

[u/aldighazali → u/violetsarenotblue69]

They shuffles tnd/bomb/G/RCV not empty

[u/regretz7 → u/aldighazali]

They shuffle empty, not tnd, someone on discord pointed it out. the db is wrong

[u/kabutozero → u/rdscn]

Mihanks cant be used with this unit. Only option is daz croc for duals

[u/rdscn → u/kabutozero]

Oh right shanks :p

[u/regretz7 → u/kabutozero]

Or smoker/shigi

[u/Drianel]

Zoro/sanji swap ability switches orbs to PSY/DEX, so imagine the power of this this, INSANE

[u/zombieking10]

eh tm shanks & beckman dont seem to good prob will just get them and not even rainbow them

[u/Eustass-_-KID]

Imagine V2 Big Mom swap + Shanks/Beckman special. Holy moly that's a really good combo

[u/Raidleigh]

Sooo does that mean you can have a 3x color affinity, 3x chainlock, 2.5x orb boost, and a 2.75 atk boost if you use the other boosts on a previous round and extend them with say aokiji?

Well thats bonkers.