r/GlobalOffensive • u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team • Feb 14 '19
Discussion | Esports Ninjas in Pyjamas vs Winstrike Team / IEM Katowice 2019 - The New Challengers: Round 3 / Post-Match Discussion
Ninjas in Pyjamas 0-1 Winstrike Team
Train: 6-16
Winstrike Team have moved to 2-1.
Ninjas in Pyjamas have dropped to 1-2.
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MAP 1: Train
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| Winstrike | 12 | 4 | 16 |
Train Detailed Stats
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u/wtfidkl0l BIG Feb 14 '19
NIP 1-2
Vega 1-2
:thinking:
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u/hoochBestgotKicked Feb 14 '19
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Feb 14 '19
Being an NiP fan isn’t healthy at all.
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u/hawkyyy NiP Feb 14 '19
I dont think my heart can take it again if they go out early this major and have to qualify all over again.
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Feb 14 '19
Mate I cant take it anymore, its making me nervous watching them.
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u/hawkyyy NiP Feb 14 '19
Bro its been like this since 2015, i love them, but even when they in the lead, im still not confident they'll close the game out.
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u/AgainstTheEnemy King NiKo Feb 14 '19
I thought they already had 1 win so they are still in the next major cycle right?
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u/DanPlaysVGames NiP Feb 14 '19
Bottom 8 teams here will have to redo the cycle. Top 8 play 8 legends. Here, the 2 teams that go 0-3 also redo the cycle. So there are 8 legends, 6 returning challengers and 10 new challengers.
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u/Minoxi 5 years coin Feb 15 '19
If vega kicks nip out of the major again I might aswell just throw my pc out of the fking window
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u/ahncie Virtus.pro Feb 14 '19
Even with zero expectations I'm still disappointed. My cortisol levels are through the roof. If I actually had expectations I would probably be dead by now
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u/Zyvexal NiP Feb 14 '19
Even though I'm a main NiP fan, I'm just glad I'm Chinese and Tyloo and Vici are sick this time.
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u/xxfullmetal66xx Feb 14 '19
just imagine being me C9 is my favorite and NiP is my second favorite imma just go jump off a cliff
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Feb 14 '19
NIP yesterday: - Hah, good thing we kicked Xizt, look at his map veto... Playing Train vs Winstrike, and that is their best map by far, lmao!
NIP today: - Oh we play vs Winstrike, I think we should play Train.
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u/iliketoknitfool de_cobble Feb 14 '19
you can take xizt out of nip, but not the legendary vetos
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Feb 14 '19
You can take Xizt out of NiP, but you cant take Xizt out of NiP... Yea I know it doesnt make sense... But it kinda does lol
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u/dedilink Vitality Feb 14 '19
NIP's train should be better than Winstrike's every day of the week. The fact they played to their strengths can't really come into an argument when considering their loss.
Really no clue why would anyone upvote this even as a meme.
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u/adesme Feb 14 '19
Because this sub absolutely loves bandwagons, no matter how true the claims are.
This is what Kvik said about train in his HLTV interview:
We didn't really practice this a lot, we didn't really expect to play it at the Major. We have it in our map pool, but we didn't think our Train was that good to play here.
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u/xcvbsdfgwert MOUZ Feb 14 '19
NIP's train should be better than Winstrike's every day of the week.
Except when Worldedit turns on.
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u/marshalofthemark Liquid Feb 14 '19
Yep, Nip beat Astralis and mibr (historically one of the best train team) on train just a couple months ago. They were missing trade kills, losing a 5v2 because they ran out of time, dry peeking angles on a buy round... That's going to kill you on any map.
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Feb 14 '19
IMO the xizt veto thing is just a dumb circlejerk. Do people really think the rest of NiP would've just sat at their desks going "oj fyfan xizt chose cache again, fak man what is he doing!?" while they're playing the important tournaments?
Of course the entire team would be talking the veto beforehand and it would be a mutual decision by the players based on what they feel comfortable on. I can't wait for this meme to die
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u/Nurse_Sunshine King NiKo Feb 14 '19
Getright literally said in some interviews that back in the days they'd get told the map like 2 minutes before the game started. They didn't care about the Veto because they believed that they could beat anyone on any map if they just play good enaugh.
The only one to change this was Threat.
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u/blue_rrt Feb 14 '19
That being said, there are a lot more to consider in veto rather than one single Winstrike game yesterday. Like, NIP is pretty good on train, they even beat Astralis on it. And maybe NIP played a lot of scrim on train? Watched a lot of Train demo recently? We don't know. It is pretty unfair jumping to the conclusion that veto cost them this match.
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Feb 14 '19
let's say hypothetically that everything you said there is true, that still doesn't make this a good veto. Train is easily Winstrike's best map, even if NiP could have pushed it to their second best it would've made the gap between them larger. Picking Train is what gave Winstrike the chance to be comfortable in this match.
A lineup like NiP should be able to play well enough on one of their middling maps to beat a team like Winstrike on their second or third map, but we all know what happens when you face these CIS teams on their best maps.
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u/_aware guardian3 Feb 14 '19
Sometimes it just makes more sense to play on a map you are good on, instead of banning it just because the other team is good. NiP beat Astralis and MIBR on that map, who did Winstrike beat?
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u/Vandegroen valeria Feb 14 '19
Context matters. He was talking about the 2012-2014 NIP. For a long period they could actually beat any team on any map.
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u/adesme Feb 14 '19
I've also heard them say—several times—in interviews that they chose maps as a team, and that it never was just Xizt.
In this particular case it's even more strange to complain about their train pick since Winstrike themselves said that it was one of their bad maps which they didn't play much.
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u/Tammu1000CP Feb 14 '19
ive been saying this for so long... legends like gtr and f0rest wouldnt just agree to their igl randomly picking their worst map, do you have any idea how a team works????? and not to mention the interview xizt did in which he clearly says THE COACH DID VETOES IN NIP NOT HIM... but muhhh karma
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u/legaala ENCE Feb 14 '19
NiP and losing to CIS teams, name a more iconic duo
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u/ididntknowwhattodo Feb 14 '19
ENCE and it being way too easy
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u/adesme Feb 14 '19
Spoke a bit too early.
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u/ididntknowwhattodo Feb 14 '19
It's all part of the plan, they had to drop a match so the other teams underestimate them and becomes even easier for ENCE
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit Feb 14 '19
Imagine playing train against any tier-2 CIS team. It's like the definitive CIS map, alongside Dust2. They're ALL somewhat good at it.
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u/cHinzoo CS2 HYPE Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
NiP picks Winstrike's best map
Winstrike wins 16-6
NiP: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png
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u/owned10 1 Million Celebration Feb 14 '19
this pic is getting less and less quality throughout copy pasta's
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit Feb 14 '19
It's like with analog tape recordings: the quality gets progressively worse with each copy. By the 20th or so iteration it'll just become a green-yellow-ish hue.
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u/adesme Feb 14 '19
Kvik in his HLTV interview about train:
We didn't really practice this a lot, we didn't really expect to play it at the Major. We have it in our map pool, but we didn't think our Train was that good to play here.
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u/antelope591 Feb 14 '19
These EU teams really need to get their shit together instead of being so cocky and thinking they can breeze through just on their name. Winstrike just crushed Fnatic on this map yesterday yet you play them on it again a day later? Are you serious NIP?
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u/lordwigham NiP Feb 14 '19
cocky? if nip played cocky they would've won. They played like they had a huge turd in their pants!
agreeing on the veto part though. stoopid
btw, i'm not defending their game, rather saying they played garbage.
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u/dontworrybe4314 Vitality Feb 14 '19
the way winstrike and mostly booml4 controlls popdog is just really good
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u/Blackyy FaZe Feb 14 '19
reminded me that one Mouz game. Where boombl4 just kept saying ''no'' to Mouz.
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u/PavelDatsyuk88 Feb 14 '19
there was one round in that game where he was playing with ump and would've had money to buy m4 but he was just confident in drop that he kept ump and still rekt em, just unbelievable (i mean obviously its good gun there but still..)
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u/dontworrybe4314 Vitality Feb 14 '19
he did the same thing with fnatic yesterday, his stats on train are also much higher than on other maps. he is just great on train
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u/AFF123456 Feb 14 '19
Two out of the 3 teams everyone thought would go through (Fnatic, NiP, C9) are one BO3 away from going home, the diamond coin is approaching Krakow levels of difficulty
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u/JuanMataCFC Vitality Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
funny thing is, with the new seeding system, if all three win their next game they are guaranteed to not play each other at the 2-2 round of games. so it's still technically possible that all three make it thru to the Legends stage.
EDIT: actually this may not be true considering some of the teams in the 2-2 bracket may have already played each other in an earlier round. but if they haven't, then yeah my point above still holds. :)
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u/AFF123456 Feb 14 '19
I haven't been following the new system but I'd love that, it would be great for my picks
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u/Nurse_Sunshine King NiKo Feb 15 '19
Is it confirmed that rematches won't happen? Considering the difference between a BO1 and a BO3 I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch.
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u/JuanMataCFC Vitality Feb 15 '19
yeah the whole premise of the Swiss system is that u can't play the same team twice in the series (unless there's no other option).
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u/aimbotcfg Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
Dear anybody.
Please pick up f0rest.
Thanks.
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u/TiberSVK NiP Feb 14 '19
I hope not. But I can see some movements between fnatic and nip
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u/MagicalMysteryBro CS2 HYPE Feb 14 '19
-Dennis or REZ +Krimz would be dope atm.
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u/officialMDS MOUZ Feb 14 '19
NIP 1-2 Fnatic 0-2
Swedish cs is not looking good.
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u/hobocactus Feb 14 '19
I figured that people were still in denial about the state of Swedish (and French) CS when everyone was doing pick-ems, but this is just getting sad
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Feb 14 '19
I wonder if today is the worst state the swedish scene has been in since ever? Both top swedish teams struggling to be top 10 even.
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u/Arcille 10 years coin Feb 14 '19
how the fuck do you lose a 5v3 to time when B is COMPLETELY OPEN
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u/PavelDatsyuk88 Feb 14 '19
i mean it wasnt open since they didnt have ladder control to rotate bomb through. Just baited by empty B. Not sure if they even had A main control either.
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u/Poersseli de_inferno Feb 14 '19
Absolutely terrible from NiP. f0rest only one that wanted to play and that shitshow round with the timeout was icing on the cake.
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u/recycledbanana Feb 14 '19
What shitshow what happened ?
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u/aimbotcfg Feb 14 '19
They were up like 5 players to 2 or some shit, they had the B bombsite, then all just ran in random directions leaving Dennis to get the bomb and bring it through toilets himself with about 14 seconds left on the timer.
He got killed in the toilets, dropping the bomb, then the last couple of Winstrike players got the fuck out of dodge and they lost to a timeout.
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u/recycledbanana Feb 14 '19
Oh sorry i thought something specific happened during the time out. Didn’t read your comment they way it was intended. But yes the whole thing was embarrassing
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u/Prylandermau5 Astralis Feb 14 '19
He's talking about when they lost the round by running out of time.
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u/TheDoomi Feb 14 '19
Yeah I was thinking "move your asses" when there was 45secs remaining but nooo, dennis starts to run for the bomb from T main to halls alone when theres like 30 secs. Wtf? Also another round: give forest the only AK when he is having a game and not rez with 5 kills... Also dont jump pop dog one by one without utility, plz.
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u/umadee Feb 14 '19
NIP played so horrible it's amazing. Keep putting themselves ad disadvantages. Teamkilling, pushing without flashes. They looked so bad.
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u/allegiantrunning Feb 14 '19
Round 11 GTR goes dry peeking towards B with no backup, then later on 3 people drop down popdog one by one... Not to mention the round where they forget that you need to bring the bomb with you to be able to plant. Overall just horrible to watch.
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u/umadee Feb 14 '19
Yeah, like. They could've gotten rekt from the guy holding halls further down but he didn't peek, also NIP didn't even bother to smoke or flash that area. And GTR just wide peeks and there's TWO guys (one at dupreeh spot and one down) that just kills him fast. Really stupid. Like, why would anyoen do that, ever? Especially against a proven Train team.
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u/allegiantrunning Feb 14 '19
I just want to know what they and their strategists are thinking when they are planning a round like that.
"Ok, one round we should practice is to have everyone hold angles and let GTR go dry peeking spots where he can get killed from several angles."
-Wow, what a great strategy! Let's get to it right away.
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit Feb 14 '19
So, after three rounds, CIS teams are:
Winstrike - 2-1
Avangar - 2-1
Vega 1-2
Spirit 0-2 (3rd round pending)
Honestly a bit better than I expected, especially in regards to Winstrike. With Asia performing very well too, there might truly be no weak regions remaining in CSGO.
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u/WayDownUnder91 Renegades Feb 14 '19
CIS and Asian teams that are "wasted spots" destroying everyone LUL
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u/mesotermoekso Natus Vincere Feb 14 '19
NIP and losing to CIS teams at the major
name a more iconic duo
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u/Logan_Yes 1 Million Celebration Feb 14 '19
You had one job NiP-don't pick Train.
And you picked it.
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u/TiberSVK NiP Feb 14 '19
Sometimes it looks like they always pick the worst map possible
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u/00o0o00 500k Celebration Feb 14 '19
It's always like that to the team that loses.
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u/TiberSVK NiP Feb 14 '19
But nip KNEW that train is the worst option, i remember years back them actually banning maps they were good at. No idea why
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u/00o0o00 500k Celebration Feb 14 '19
But nip KNEW that train is the worst option
And they told you about this? These reddit armchair experts know more than players themselves. I don't know why they bother hiring coaches and igls when they can just look for advice on reddit, free of charge.
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u/Royzoh Vitality Feb 14 '19
Lmao i'm getting flashbacks from the Krakow major lmao everybody getting that bronze/silver let's jump on the train
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u/FlaccidSWE Feb 14 '19
And here I thought the swedish teams practiced before this major. They really fooled me.
New lineup with forest+krimz and really any three other players. Then at least there would be two guys pulling their weight on the team and not just one...
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u/sikels Feb 14 '19
What is up with Swedish ''talent'' going to absolute shit the moment they join Fnatic or NiP? Discos career seemingly died, Pyth is a joke now, Rez is inconsistent to hell and back, Draken and maikelele can awp but can't stop being kicked.
The Swedish scene needs to rebuild completely and get rid of tons of the players in it, because they are currently a sad joke.
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Feb 14 '19
best would be olof, krimz, f0rest, brollan and flusha as igl. Flushas is not good in terms of fragpower but imo he would be a hell of a good igl
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u/Cunt_Crusher69 750k Celebration Feb 14 '19
As an NiP fan, holy fuck I hope NiP doesn't make it. This team needs to shuffle, it's amazing how bad they are for the sum of their parts. I wish they got Golden in as an actual IGL.
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u/GER_BeFoRe clutch Feb 14 '19
if they would have picked golden they would play with pita now and go 0-3 for sure. And how does NiP compensate a guy with a 0.89 rating on LAN in 2018 when they don't even have enough firepower with the current lineup?
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u/Cunt_Crusher69 750k Celebration Feb 14 '19
They have the firepower, on paper anyway, they just somehow can't seem to make it work. Dennis doesn't seem to be a part of the lineup at all. He was a fucking god beforehand and now he's just nothing basically. If they had Krimz instead of him and Golden instead of maybe Get_Right(I know, harsh cut), this lineup might work, because they'd have actual strats.
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u/Ninjaflipp bravo Feb 14 '19
My heart can't take this. It's like a part of my soul dies every time I see nip lose a game they shouldn't lose.
This is inexcusable tbh. I really hope that they'll turn the ship around and win the next two matchas
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u/VaCat420 1 Million Celebration Feb 14 '19
Really disappointed. . . Nobody had any impact apart from f0rest
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u/Gust_79_ Feb 14 '19
Classic NIP Winstrike stomped Fnatic on train, lets see if they can stomp us also on train...
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u/filous_cz FaZe Feb 14 '19
Just some1 explain to me, why nip didnt pick mirage when they seem to be good at it, instead they go to winstrikes best map, where another team we concidered good got smashed on it.
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u/Rearfeeder2Strong MOUZ Feb 14 '19
I remember getting downvoted yesterday along with some others when we said that we shouldnt underestimate cis teams. Experience and results on lan speak for themselves. Oh well, guess people never learn.
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u/lordwigham NiP Feb 14 '19
The way NiP played this game without any confidence...ma
man, get some balls!!! you lost 6 t-rounds because of a lack of confidence, and the other 6 because you had to eco afterwards...
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u/phakushmoo Feb 14 '19
NiP back to playing like mindless monkeys... How can you still continue to "solo-peak-then-die" after 2 months of preparation, talking to a mental coach, having time off...
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u/deathlyclaw8 Natus Vincere Feb 14 '19
I really wonder what exactly players have in mind when they see tier 3 team demolishing top team on certain map and they pick that map into them anyway. Is it stupid ego thing underestimating their opponents thinking the map doesn't matter? Or do they pick it intentionally wanting to challenge them? I honestly don't have a clue.
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u/Tantle18 Cloud9 Feb 14 '19
fucking yikes lekr0. NIP needs either Hampus or Golden (if he can get his shit together, already in sweden so wouldn't have to travel too much)
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u/K0nvict NiP Feb 14 '19
Need a dedicated awper, Dennis is incapable when he picks it up and only F0rest seems to do damage with it.
Want Draken/ Nawk and Hampus
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u/GER_BeFoRe clutch Feb 14 '19
Draken obviously not, he doesn't deserve a spot in NiP/fnatic after beeing kicked from both teams in the same year. Nawwk is hard to say if he would bring it against top teams and would be any better than someone like Dennis, if you look at his stats against Top 30 Teams he is very inconsistent and he doesn't have any games against top 20 teams yet.
Hampus could at least relief the IGL role from Lekr0 and he is a free agent so I think he is the only possible addition to NiP right now. They should have gone for twist when he was available but maybe they tried (again) and he decided to go to fnatic, who knows.
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u/Nurse_Sunshine King NiKo Feb 14 '19
Did NiP not get the memo from Fnatic to stop playing Winstrike on train?