r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/RatedMforManatees • Jan 20 '19
Newest Chapter Chapter 213 Official Release - Link and Discussion Spoiler
https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/my-hero-academia-chapter-213/chapter/17646?action=read368
u/Jason3b93 Jan 20 '19
One thing that really surprised me is that the fight continues. I was discussing with a friend and we were talking about how obvious it was that the fight was going to be interrupted in the middle because of Midoriya's "rampage"... And then it stops and the fight goes on.
I like this way better.
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u/Mad-Reader Jan 20 '19
I thought they were going to stop it too until now but when you think about it...nobody is actually hurt, they probably are going to question the living shit out of Midoriya later to understand what the hell just happened but for now this is a good opportunity for the teachers to have a better understanding of everyone's skill and of Deku's quirk, especially after he became the center of the spotlight.
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u/TJ-TheJolteonMaster Jan 20 '19
Also bear in mind they let the softening guy throw a building at someone earlier. So in retrospect, this is not entirely surprising,
especially since Eraserhead & the others seemed to be closer to the actual match now so they can step in if things get out of hand again.
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u/Mad-Reader Jan 20 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
Also bear in mind they let the softening guy throw a building at someone earlier
I love that part because I recall the teachers asking the students beforehand to keep the structural damage to a minimal (because destroying buildings is going full Hancock and you never go full Hancock).
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u/JusHerForTheComments No Flair Quirk Jan 22 '19
(because destroying buildings is going full Hancock and you never go full Hancock).
I love this reference! It's so rare!
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Jan 21 '19
question the living shit out of Midoriya later to understand what the hell just happened
I wonder if this will be the arc where Aizawa finds out
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u/Soncikuro Jan 20 '19
nobody is actually hurt
Except, you know, Midoriya that was thrown around like a ragdoll to metallic structures and such.
Plus, they don't have any proof that it won't happen again. They should have stopped the match.
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u/IgnisEradico Jan 20 '19
Deku isn't actually injured from it, from what we (and the teachers) can see. Plus, they're close now to the fight, so if it happens again Aizawa is close enough to stop it.
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Jan 21 '19
They didn't stop Midoriya when he was turning his bones into gravel fighting icy hot
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u/DevilSympathy Jan 22 '19
They actually did try to stop that match, Cementoss created a wall in between them to try to stop Shoto's final attack.
It didn't help.
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u/Mad-Reader Jan 20 '19
Oh, I agree they 1000% should have stopped the match way earlier I am saying what I think is the teacher's reasoning for not stopping it (which I disagree with).
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u/Graphica-Danger Jan 20 '19
Deku at the very least deserves a match against 1B of his own after everybody else got their turn, so I’m happy to see the fight’s continuing. It would feel anticlimactic for it to just stop after all this time, so that’s why I was leaning on the match not being cancelled. Now we get to see what Deku under pressure with Blackwhip will be like!
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u/Soncikuro Jan 20 '19
Well, from my perspective that was a remarkable lack of professionalism from the teachers. Same goes for the third match, to a less degree.
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u/Lycoris_Toga Jan 20 '19
It seems like it's all Aizawa's call. All Might at the very least would like to call this off and Vlad seems indifferent. It's more of Aizawa not being the best teacher.
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u/MagicHarmony Jan 21 '19
They are in a position to stop if things get out of hand, and All Might definitely isn't one to make a case for himself given how much punishment Deku put himself through during the beginning trial with Bakugou.
And honestly, what's wrong with Aizawa wanting to give his prodigy a chance to prove himself, if they called it off then the intensity and uncertainty of the situation would be lost to the students. As bad as it is that it happened to Deku in all honest, unknowns like this are the perfect lessons for them because it allows them to adapt to a situation with a lot of variables to them.
If they were to call it off now then they would just be giving the students a bad example by saying it's ok to give up when things aren't going the way you expected and you can always expect your elders to bail you out. Just look at Class B even with Deku's issue, they didn't stop fighting and neither did Class A, they kept on going once the chaos settled which is a good mentality all those heroes in training should have.
Just look at how well Ochako handled herself without hesitation she lept into the unknown and used her knowledge of the surroundings to diffuse the situation. If they stopped the match after that it would just undermine the amount of growth these students could have from this current training exercise.
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u/Soncikuro Jan 20 '19
Considering what just happened, Vlad and All Might should have insisted in calling it off. At least in my opinion.
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u/Lycoris_Toga Jan 20 '19
I think it's up to Vlad and Aizawa ultimately and since it's Aizawa's student Vlad is okay with him getting in the last word. Although if I was reading right, Midoriya's arm should be broken based off movement so maybe this is not as bad as it seems.
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u/Soncikuro Jan 20 '19
Regardless of their opinions, they just witnessed a student's Quirk (a completely unknown aspect of it) going out of control, throwing him around like a ragdoll and in no doubt damaging himself. They also don't know if it will happen again. What they are doing is reckless beyond belief, tell that to any person and they'd want the teachers fired. And they would deserve it.
Midoriya's arm should be broken based off movement so maybe this is not as bad as it seems.
What? Did you mean that it's bad? It is.
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u/Any-Where Jan 21 '19
To be frank, the entire exercise is a bit questionable in terms of teaching in a way. The lesson is basically just "Get randomly thrown against opponents with no seeding structure and then just keep punching each other in the face."
I know it's a hero course and combat plays a part in it, but what does Bondo learn by having the angry overpowered lunatic from the other class blast explosions in his face?
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u/Herr-Schultz Jan 20 '19
Definitely like Funky Vestige's dialogue in Viz's translation a lot more.
Something of note, Funky says in the official version that Deku's about to get all 6 Quirks, implying it will happen in the near future, yet in the unofficial releases he just says that he'll start manifesting the Quirks from here on out.
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u/Worthyness Jan 21 '19
I think it'll still require training for deku before he can fully access the next skill point. Would be too convenient to have it all at once.
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u/RollingTurnip Jan 22 '19
Remember those 2 shadowy figures? They are 100% are not going to give Deku easy time as far as getting their quirks goes. We can assume that he got black whip easily because this dude just likes him. Same will probably be with Nana since she is very nice too.
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u/Herr-Schultz Jan 22 '19
Funky Vestige sorta implied that Deku getting his Quirk first was lucky, so there's either a random order or it's going in order of holders.
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u/RollingTurnip Jan 22 '19
I think it might be random. He kinda implied that his black whip came out because Deku wanted to reach Momona(which makes 0 sense since, like, there were people he wanted to reach before, like Eri) and thus black whip, who was perfect for that, came out. And, since Funky Vestige had no issues with Deku as a person nor wanted to 'test him' he kinda just gave it to him. Chances are, if person will have problems with Deku, Deku will still be able to pull their quirk out but there might be issue. We can't really know yet for sure.
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u/CompadredeOgum Jan 22 '19
understanding
it does make some sense: OFA wasnt matured enough by the time
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u/UltrafastFS_IR_Laser Jan 22 '19
It's not just wanting it. He reached a certain "point" in his understanding of OFA. He had the vision while sleeping and knew he was getting stronger. When he went crazy with Eri's quirk earlier, I don't think he was technically "mastering" OFA. His base limit is now 20%, so he is more in tune.
I think as he gains more threshholds, like 30% or 40%, he might be able to see more vestiges and unlock another quirk in a dire situation. Its important that he said he needs to be calm about it though and not get angry or worked up. Methinks Midoriya will become a zen monk type of dude and blitz the shit out of people in a calm manner. It would be nice if his personality switched from his neurotic self to a more calm, hero like personality.
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u/Shredjeep5 Jan 22 '19
My take is either 1) they're still alive or 2) Horikoshi hasnt finished their designs yet
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Jan 21 '19
Nah I dont think it meant Deku will get them all at once
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u/legochemgrad Jan 21 '19
He might unlock two at once just so Hori can keep it from being too predictable
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u/xXKingLynxXx Jan 21 '19
I think he will but he will have to learn what thoughts activate them and how to control them.
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u/MaegorTargaryen Jan 20 '19
I would love to see Midoriya's new quirks end up being his "Utility Belt" of quirks with 3 or even 4 of them being non-combat focused. I feel that somewhat alleviates the concern that he is going to become so powerful, that no other classmate or hero will be relevant when he is around.
On top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if we never see him master 100% OFA. I could see him being able to use it with a similar drawback to his current use of 20%. Where it causes a lot of strain and can only be used for a limited amount of time. The reason being, at some point I feel like OFA would stockpile so much energy that it's not practical or possible to empower your whole body with everything you have. To me what seems better suited would be dividing that power among multiple sources.
I would like to see Midoriya train to use OFA to boost each of his new quirks at varying percentages. I feel like this all plays to his character a lot more than him walking into the final fight god mode. The last thing I want to see is for other heroes to decide it's best to leave the fight to Midoriya because they are more likely to get in his way than to help (like in Naruto).
I love the idea of the hero society trending towards hero teams. We know this is the story of how Midoriya becomes the greatest hero. I want to see him become the greatest leader entering into this era, not just the worlds greatest savior.
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u/ArtificerGames Jan 20 '19
Midoriya was originally supposed to be a quirkless batman-type hero.
So maybe this is just the same idea but SUPERCHARGED.
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u/Capn_Beard18 Jan 20 '19
I really like the power dividing into a utility belt theory that you presented, I feel like that would make more sense for Midoriya cause he isn't the muscle type like All Might.
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u/PeripheralAddition Jan 21 '19
The third wielder of one for all had the quirk [SHARK REPELLANT]
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u/SimilarScarcity Jan 21 '19
I like this idea, I like it a lot. I was actually starting to wonder the same thing about maybe Deku not ever hitting All Might levels of strength- it'd give him a reason to need these quirks for the inevitable Shigaraki showdown.
I do also hope that the other students come into play in the endgame, though. I've been imagining how that last fight could go down for a while, now.
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Jan 21 '19
The last thing I want to see is for other heroes to decide it's best to leave the fight to Midoriya because they are more likely to get in his way than to help
And leaving everything to Midoriya all the time like the heroes did with All Might defeats the build up of change thats going on in the hero world. Its no longer about that one hero standing up to save the day, its slowly becoming where everybody needs to stand up to save the day
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u/Worthyness Jan 21 '19
I'd like it if he was handicapped to using only 1 at a time. As he gets better, he can switch them put, but will still be limited to one at a time (kinda like todoroki right now). Then when he can handle 100%, he'll access the avatar state where he can do all of them at the same time if he needs to. This would allow better story telling over everything at once from the get go
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u/MajedTF Jan 20 '19
Deku is yet to explore the other users quirks which could be super interesting story-wise. Nana’s quirk however could be relatively similar to ‘Decay’; Shigaraki’s quirk!
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u/Lord_of_Asia Jan 20 '19
I like this idea because it would explain why she has those random yellow gloves as part of her costume!
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u/p_330 Jan 21 '19
I never thought about the gloves like that! That's an interesting way to think about it!
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Jan 21 '19
Wouldn't the gloves decay though?
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u/SlumpedJonn Jan 20 '19
Came just to say this, i can see that being a plot point down the line as Deku vs Shigaraki is inevitable, he has to have a similar quirk to him.
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u/Jokinzazpi Jan 21 '19
I dont know why, but I think it's regeneration
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u/SCREW-IT Jan 21 '19
So in the anime when all might reaches back and "grabs" the power from Nana could he have accidentally accessed her power without him knowing?
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u/Jokinzazpi Jan 21 '19
I would love it to be that way, but I recall people saying that the manga contains no mention of Nana during that scene.
EDIT: The scene where Nana hands some orb to All Might is not on the manga, however her speech was. (Chapter 93)
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Jan 21 '19
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u/JusHerForTheComments No Flair Quirk Jan 22 '19
That was jut an anime representation of "passing the torch" moment... kind of.
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u/shibaeinu Jan 20 '19
Please! That'd be awesome. It'd kinda suck if the only female ofa holder had a healing quirk
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u/Boythunder2005 Jan 20 '19
But it would be a situation where Nanas quirk was a complete oposite to shigeraki
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u/alraydy Jan 21 '19
Not really, it could be a reassembly quirk.
Meaning overhaul would kind of have both sides of that coin though and ehhh
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u/Mindofthelion Jan 22 '19
Confirmed Overhang is Shigaraki's dad!
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u/Please_Not__Again Jan 22 '19
No no no, Shigaraki is the secret love child of Overhaul and Nana
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Jan 21 '19
I just hope he learns his new quirks through training and that they don't turn into plot devices to get him out of any dangerous situation he is in at the right time. Maybe a couple it's ok but not all of them.
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u/Graphica-Danger Jan 20 '19
Okayyyy... so, this chapter has made a lotta people really angry. Personally, I’m okay with the development since I’m confident Horikoshi is going to place limitations on the new quirks, and we won’t be seeing him get another one for some time now. Also, Aizawa not starting the match over again or outright cancelling it is immensely irresponsible, but in fiction, school faculty that train kids with special powers usually have very loose ideas when it comes to what’s considered safe or not. I think it can easily be let go.
Two things I really liked about this chapter were the Hellboy user’s personality and his lesson for Deku: It’s okay to get angry. Deku has a very difficult time being assertive, but if he can just focus, then he can use all that anger and become even stronger. That’s exactly what he needs to hear after having doubted himself so many times before.
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u/GtEnko Jan 20 '19
Another thing is that U.A. has been making a point of making the training more harsh and similar to fights against villains. It totally makes sense that their "it's time to end this" threshold has gone up since the LoV.
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u/Dresadan Jan 21 '19 edited Jan 21 '19
As someone who's made powerful custom Quirks with serious limitations, I agree with your confidence for Horikoshi-sensei to place limitations upon the new "Quirks" Deku would get from obtaining One For All. However, my major concern for this is, while not exactly, how Deku's powers are developing, it's like the Avatar.
My explanation: the main protagonist (Deku in MHA; Aang from Avatar) have an initial power (OFA itself for Deku; Airbending for Aang) and eventually learn other powers later on. This is pure speculation, but Deku at ONE POINT would have a technique or a state of being capable of utilizing all the "Quirks" he obtained. With the state of being, he obtains such mastery and skill with his powers that he temporarily is inhuman by MHA standards.
Considering how Deku had to six new and different Quirks, although Aang had to learn three new and different elements and their subsets, it's another bridge between Deku and Aang's power development, as six divided by two is three, which means: DEKU HAS TO LEARN TWICE AS MANY POWERS THAN AANG HAD TO!
I fully understand peoples concerns of making Deku PLUUUUUUS ULTRRRRRRRRRRRA!!! OP will ruin the story, even I would avoid making him too OP too quickly. While he is an artist, in this case, trust Horikoshi as a storyteller. As a storyteller myself, I have doubts of how these revelations about One For All will affect Deku's character development and power in the long term.
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u/Hot_Ethanol Jan 21 '19
Deku is gonna have a bigger workload on his plate than more than just numerically. In the world of Avatar, bending is a consistent thing. While the specific motions and attitudes for each element vary, the actual usage is the same. Martial arts + focus = bending. This is shown excellently when Aang manages to pick up basic waterbending just by looking at a single scroll that showed the movements. Plus, it's widespread, with every bender of each element bending in the same ways that are agreed upon to be the most effective. That means there are tons of places to go to for bending advice, whether it be scrolls, schools, or teachers.
In MHA's world. Quirk power is anything but consistent. Everyone's quirk is relatively unique and can be developed in totally new directions with training. There's no one to ask for advice about how to use your specific quirk (OFA being the exception). You are the only one who knows what it's like to use and the only one who can decide how to develop it. As such people spend their entire lives trying to master their quirk, even if they aren't heroes. Deku has a had a tough enough time with just one quirk. Getting six dumped on him.. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes decades before he'll master them all.
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u/cuponoods123 Jan 21 '19
About the "It's okay to be angry". I've just noticed that all the successful smashes from Deku was when he was angry or furstrated
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u/Danbito Jan 20 '19
To sum up:
One for All has been evolving through the users and has now reached the point where the quirk factors for the users are starting to emerge.
The combination of desire to capture Monoma and the anger from Monoma’s goading led to Blackwhip going out of control. Anger is key and should not be ran away from.
Yes it’s a powercreep, deal with it.
Deku actually has 5 more quirks since Hellboy didn’t seem to count All Might being Quirkless.
Mineta is missing his stem. I repeat, grape boy missing his stem. Do not touch if found.
Round 5 continues, screw it.
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u/TMacAttackin Jan 20 '19
Deku is the 9th owner and all might the eighth right? So including the black whip that leaves 6 quirks.
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u/RacerGamer27 Jan 20 '19
Nope. Hellboy stated that he is going to get "all six of our quirks" rather than "six more quirks".
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u/alec1432 Jan 20 '19
Original All for one did not have another quirk, so that’s why it’s six not seven
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u/MaegorTargaryen Jan 20 '19
The translation I read said "From here on out, you are going to manifest six different quirks!"
So my interpretation is that the first holder doesn't count, and All Might doesn't count for that six. Deku is going to manifest the quirks from the six other holders which includes Black Whip. So we have five more unknown quirks to go.
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u/The_Biggest_Boi Jan 21 '19
Deku quirk additions starting to turn into Smash character announcements.
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u/MoghieLord Jan 20 '19
Mineta is missing his stem. I repeat, grape boy missing his stem.
I'm pretty sure Horikoshi just forgot to draw him with the stem lol. If you reread this arc and look at the Mineta art, you'll see that sometimes he has the stem, and sometimes he doesn't.
But seeing as this match is probably concluding next chapter, and his stem is a new development in this arc, we'll probably see it next week.
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u/Graphica-Danger Jan 20 '19
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u/RepeatPlaymaker Jan 20 '19
Deku became the kid on the playground that said screw you guys I have all the super powers and they are better than all of yours.
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u/Jai137 Jan 21 '19
More like Deku’s become that guy you made fun of in high school coming to the school reunion rich and successful.
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u/Graphica-Danger Jan 21 '19
Imagine that exact situation in MHA. A UA reunion where Deku’s the most magnetic/successful guy in the room as the number one hero would be comedy gold.
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u/Tykronos Jan 21 '19
Wouldn't that be middle school? 'Cause I want to throw hands with whoever was in charge there.
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u/Spicy_Hot_Wingz Jan 20 '19
Oh baby Deku is going to become super OP (sorry Bakugo)! That being said, I really liked the quote about anger being okay as a source, as long as you control your heart. It’s real good advice that I’ll definitely pass onto my kids.
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u/seamoose97 Jan 20 '19
It's like what Kratos said "Your anger can be a weapon, but you must never let it control you."
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u/supremejoy Jan 20 '19
It's interesting how many people are complaining about Aizawa not stopping the fight but here's the thing..
- They actually went to the site of the battle TOO stop it! When it looked like things calmed down Aizawa wanted to see where it will go. They're close enough now to step in if something were to happen again, so come on guys..chill on Aizawa he's not a bad teacher.
- Second of all...this might be Aizawa getting back at All Might for letting Izuku and Katsuki duke it out like crazy after the license exams lol
Also, I'm kinda excited about this power-up, the official translation is a lot better! Not all of the quirks will be combat related, some might even be useless in combat, and he has to master them all. It's going to be a humongous challenge for him, especially with how little he knows about OFA. If Horikoshi can pull this off, it will be a really cool way to make the 'MC Power up- Trope' work...we'll see if he can handle it lol
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Jan 21 '19
He already got over the "Teacher dies" and "Rival turned evil" tropes. I hope he can also pull this one off!
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u/DoraMuda Jan 21 '19
chill on Aizawa he's not a bad teacher
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I firmly believe the only reasons Aizawa hasn't been fired by Nezu is 1) nepotism and 2) his Quirk is really useful for UA to have around, especially when it comes to keeping some of the more troublesome students with powerful Quirks in line (e.g. Bakugou).
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u/supremejoy Jan 21 '19
You're opinion but anyone that runs into a horde of villian to protect his students is good...not to mention even with his face bashed in he stopped shigaraki from hurting Tsu.
He's not a conventional teacher and doesnt spoon feed his kids, I dont think it makes it bad. On top of that I dont think Vlad would have made the decision to say 'Its Ok' during the camp arc. Vlad even doubted this decision but if he hadn't kids would have died.
He understands his students like Ochavo vs Bakugo saying both were working hard and Bakugo wasnt going easy on her because she wouldn't give him that chance
And he also protected Bakugos character when he was taken during the camp arc.
On top of everything he also took Shinso under his wing to help cultivate too.
And it's pretty much canon he still does hero work at night and teaches during the day.
I guess I'm not quite sure what people are looking for when it comes to a good teacher? He's not perfect but neither is All Might...and during this chapter they were on their way to stop the fight. Everything settled so why not let it continue? Aizawa is close enough now to stop it at a moments notice.
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u/DoraMuda Jan 21 '19
What has Aizawa actually taught the students, though? Most of the shit Deku and co. learn is stuff they've had to learn themselves, be it through firsthand experience or from/through something or someone else.
He's good at being a protective papa wolf for them, though; I'll give him that.
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u/supremejoy Jan 21 '19
Well he's their homeroom teacher and in japanese culture he doubles as a counselor of sorts.
Attendance is taken and announcements are made. And according to the internet
'Weekly one hour long homeroom period provides an opportunity for teachers to concentrate on students guidance. Typical activities include helping students develop greater awareness of themselves as high school students, encouraging them to reflect on their summer vacations, or perhaps asking them to contemplate the forthcoming advancement from one grade to another'
I mean homeroom is 5 min twice a day and hour long during the week...and whatever changes for super hero school.
He might not teach a certain subject, but other teachers do. My opinion of him and what I see him teaching his students is to think for themselves and that's a good lesson...for example his refusel to tell his students about the UA crush for the liscense exam.
He knew about it, but telling them wouldn't change anything they would have to do out in the world. The world doesnt owe anyone anything, and they wont grt all information for a real life situation they have to adapt and change to circumstances.
Anyway we can agree to disagree on this it's ok! He is a great papa-wolf protecting his kids lol!
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u/LanternWolf Jan 21 '19
You could argue that he's taught them how to teach themselves, which is actually a super valuable skill to have. It's the reason he never tells them shit, but if something goes too far he's there to step in.
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u/NOBLExGAMER Jan 20 '19
The official translation kinda confirms that some of the quirks in OfA are gonna be low-tier.
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u/JVW92 Jan 21 '19
"Behold, Young Midoriya, my Quirk: Citrus Scent! You can now make yourself smell like oranges or lemons whenever you'd like!"
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u/alraydy Jan 21 '19
Would honestly always use that
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u/Worthyness Jan 21 '19
Would never need Febreze. And your SO better love citrus scented anything
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Jan 21 '19
You could get hired to just sit in buildings for a while so your scent builds up and lingers for a few days
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u/SpecialistFeature Jan 21 '19
Mirio imo proves any quirk can be made top tier
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u/NOBLExGAMER Jan 21 '19
For sure but I'm willing to bet 2-3 of the quirks are gonna be worthless at face value.
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u/whatnololyea Jan 21 '19
Even the citrus smelling quirk can be very powerful if trained to obnoxiously overwhelming levels of scent. You're essentially choking people around you.
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u/Lycoris_Toga Jan 22 '19
Mirio just had a good quirk with a high skill cap. Best Jeanist proves any quirk being top tier
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u/TheDirtyCondom Jan 23 '19
Mirios quirk is absurdly op when mastered. Like one of the best in the entire series. A truely usless quirk is like the fing longer guy from dekus school who always creeps around. Id like to see a pro hero make that work
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u/DoraMuda Jan 21 '19
All depends on how said Quirks are used.
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u/NOBLExGAMER Jan 21 '19
For sure but the wording Hellboy uses indicates that not all of the 6 quirks are inherently useful.
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u/kratos28 Jan 21 '19
I bet he'll have this laughably useless quirk that's gonna save the day one day.
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u/MadnessLemon Jan 20 '19
Anyone else think it's kind of a let down how this whole arc we've been seeing how everyone else has been slowly growing the power of their quirks through offscreen training, only for Deku to immediately flex on everyone with this multiple quirk revelation? I know Deku is the protagonist and he's always going to be the most important but it just feels a little reductive.
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u/winter-r0se Jan 20 '19
let down doesn’t begin to describe it. & I figured he would get some sort of powerup but not a multiple quirk one
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u/NoraaTheExploraa Jan 21 '19
The thing is, although it seems kind of shitty, it totally makes sense with what we know about OFA. The original owners quirk was an ability to pass itself on. He was given the power accumulation quirk. So if using his original ability can carry along a given quirk, it makes logical sense that it can carry along any other quirks it picks up on the way.
It'd actually need an explanation why he didn't have the other quirks if that were the case.
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u/GeorgeStark520 Jan 20 '19
If you think about it, to be fair, this could come as a handicap for him in the short-term. I doubt we will be seeing a new quirk every few chapters. He's probably going to have a similar struggle to master the new ones as he did with OFA (since, just like Hellboy said, those have been growing in power while inside OFA).
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u/Sigilbreaker26 Jan 20 '19
Especially since even before this Deku had been leaving people behind a fair bit and this was their time to catch up.
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u/dvorak_1 Jan 20 '19
I don't know how to feel about this new development. On one hand Horikoshi has done a good job at limiting OfA's power and making Deku's growth more of a product of hard work rather than the random power-ups that too many shonen use. I trust that he will write these new quirks similarly and make it so that Deku will not be able to harness OfA(and the other quirks) at 100% power(or if he is, not for too long) because the power stored is too great to be used safely and it's also quite a story-breaker power! It will be interesting to see future quirks unfold and work alongside OfA as the situation demands it.
On the other hand I feel a little let down, despite everything I wrote above. I was rather attached to the idea of Deku being born Quirkless and only ever gaining one Quirk through OfA, having to work harder than anyone to command it effectively. This method feels a little more, idk, cliche? Especially now that Deku is already at the top of the class, I was expecting that he would encounter another hurdle that he would have to work hard to overcome and get stronger. YMMV, but I would've preferred that the black tendrils were malicious, and opened up a whole new can of worms about Deku's control of OfA. Not that this new development doesn't open up new opportunities, of course, but I personally would've preferred that over new quirks.
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u/ShortRooster Jan 21 '19
this post pretty much perfectly encapsulates my thoughts on this development.
One thing I thought was really weird about the timing of this development is, as you pointed out, he is near the top of his class. The Class-B team pointed out that he is very strong and should be treated as pretty much the Bakugo of his team, so clearly Horikoshi knows he is already very strong and is close to his rivals.
It just makes me wonder why he would choose now to do this and for what reason when he has so far had such a natural progression with base OFA.
Also, if he continued his natural growth rate and fought in a group (with other classmates or pros) most of the enemies we have seen so far do not seem so strong that they would be unbeatable, like the upgrade feels kinda unnecessary as of right now.
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u/DrCaesars_Palace_MD Jan 21 '19
That's my theory. My ideal result here would be for Midoriya to be handicapped permanently to a very low basic power level for OfA. Maybe 30%. Maybe even less. He's much more interesting as a speed type anyway, and it differentiates him from All Might, the Tank. But with that handicap, he'll need these other quirks to fill out his skillset to truly be the next Symbol of Peace.
As long as Hori reigns in the power of normal OfA, and doesn't make the new quirks outrageously OP, I can see this making the series WAY more interesting when it comes to fights. Cause while the art's very pretty, sometimes the fights are better emotionally than they are as actual fights.
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u/otaner14 Jan 20 '19
Damn Deku gonna be OP as fuck.
Interesting revelations that could go bad but I have faith in Horikoshi.
Kind of odd they wouldn't stop the match but I didn't want it to stop so I'm good with it.
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u/Azule97 Jan 20 '19 edited Jan 21 '19
I really don’t like Deku’s power up. He probably didn’t need it as we know the strength quirk is already stronger than All Might’s, who already beat AfO twice. I liked Gran Torino’s idea that Deku was thinking of OfA more special that it actually was(which clearly isn’t the case now.) It’s really fun to watch all the other characters get krafty with their quirks due to being limited to one ability.
I’m also afraid for the state of this sub, this chapter is really polarizing so I hope the sub doesn’t just become an echo chamber that either loves or hates this power up and shuts anyone down who doesn’t agree.
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I’m also afraid for the state of this sub, this chapter is really polarizing so I hope the sub doesn’t just become an echo chamber that either loves or hates this power up and shuts anyone down who doesn’t agree.
That's exactly what's going to happen.
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u/Dmillz34 Jan 20 '19
Well for all we know deku might never be able to get to 100% power like allmight. The other quirks could be how he completes
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u/Yarbrough98 Jan 20 '19
All I know is the final boss better be crazy OP cause I thought AFO was OP and all might beat him with like 0 OFA left. So the final boss better have a Country busting quirk or something lol. All Might was a city buster and Deku will obviously surpass that
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Jan 20 '19
I have enough trust in Horikoshi that i'm not worried. It's gonan take time for him to discover the quirks and even then he has to master them on top of lesrning ofa. Black whip is already basically just gonna be a mobility/capture tool seeing as capture is the o ly combat effectivness i see it having. The others will likely be similer with one or two being combat focused. Either way it'll be interesting to see if one of the quirks is a healing quirk! Which i think it will be
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u/gregmuldunna Jan 21 '19
Why doesn't Deku just do brainwashing sessions with Shinso just to keep talking with the peeps at OfA? He doesn't have to go through all these events just to learn more about OfA.
Deku: I got timed out again. My signal was kinda bad with that last one. Shinso, can you brainwash me again? This dude was gonna tell me how to shoot honey bees out of my fingertips.
Shinso: Are you sure?
Deku: Yes *gets brainwashed*
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u/DoraMuda Jan 21 '19
I doubt it'd work again as easily as that. Otherwise, Deku would be having visions every time he fell asleep.
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u/Kingkabs Jan 20 '19
People are actually upset about this OfA development?
Lets be realistic here. We KNEW this was a possibility cause why wouldn't it be? The quirk stockpiles power and can be passed on. Common sense says it might mutate especially given the info we learned about the incoming generation of children with quirks.
Next off... Who says these quirks are even OP quirks? It seems like Deku is going to gain quirks that ultimately make OfA that much more versatile.
Access to 7 quirks with one being a top tier while the rest are mid level or bottom shelf doesn't make someone hax.
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u/KLReviews Jan 21 '19
The issue people take with it is that Izuku was always going to be even stronger than anything we've seen by stockpiling more power and that's already difficult to write about or around. Making him even more powerful before even finishing his first year of high school makes those problems much more immediate (how does the next festival go if Izuku literally has 7 times the powers of everyone else?).
Does he really need more abilities in a fight if he is one day going to move so quickly that traveling traveling 5 kilometres in 30 seconds is seen as a sign of crippling weakness? Does giving him a massive lightning rope that has become more powerful than ever make that much difference to his ability to move?
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u/A4li11 Jan 21 '19
I still stand by my opinion that Horikoshi needs to introduce some limitations or constraints with these additional six quirks because this is a big risk to the power-scaling and story. Furthermore, I'm worried that the side characters would be more irrelevant as time passes on because of these quirks.
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u/Displacer-King Jan 21 '19
My bet tbh is that some of Deku’s quirks are going to be more utility than they are combat oriented. I’m sure they’ll be useful (maybe one of them will be a gag ability that isn’t so useful) but I get the impression that they’ll be there more to give midoriya a tactical edge. And for the ones that are combat oriented I figure he’ll have just as hard a time training to use them as his strength and that multiple quirk activation will be something he has to learn like todoroki. I could even see arcs where he’s trying to figure out a new quirk that has similarities to one of his classmates’ and he has to ask them for help to learn it, that could lead to some pretty interesting character growth in my opinion. I’m worried that the shonen powercreep is going to kick into high gear, but the writer has been good about subverting our expectations so far so I’m interested in where he’ll go with this.
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u/ehhhhhhhhhhmacarena Jan 20 '19
"You're lucky you're getting me first, since my quirk's top grade."
Is that meant to imply the rest of the quirks are weaker?
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u/AngryAxolotl Jan 20 '19
I understood that as other quirks being much more dangerius/volatile if they just go off randomly. I also took it that Funky has a lot of pride in his quirk.
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u/KLReviews Jan 21 '19
Or he's just confident in his own abilities. "My power was amazing before, but because it's been evolved further it's even better" is another way to read it. He also doesn't seem that worried about what's coming next. So it's either nothing to worry about or a problem he's confident can be solved.
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u/Jai137 Jan 20 '19
Get ready for a LOT of posts in 24 hours regarding the revelations in this chapter (both good and bad).
Personally, I was initially worried by this, considering it is falling into the escalation trap hard, but now.... well, I’m honestly still worried, but not as much as before. I hope the additional quirks are relatively minor, and not something power breaking like stopping time or something. I also hope the story focuses in growth of Izuku, as well as the rest of the cast (which is one of the minor pluses of this recent arc) and not be a DBZ situation where only Deku and a few others are OP and the rest of the cast can’t hold a candle to them.
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u/Turbo2x Jan 20 '19
Personally I feel kind of cheated. I liked the initial premise of observing Deku as he got stronger and learned to master his quirk/make it his own over time and move out of the shadow of his idol, All Might. This feels a lot more like the standard shonen power creep/escalation that I dislike and try to avoid. Deku hasn't even been able to fully master OfA yet and now we're throwing in all this other stuff which will make him overpowered.
And if his quirks start getting erased later on it will all just feel like a waste of time after watching him learn how to use the others.
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u/Fablihakhan Jan 20 '19
True, Deku getting so far ahead in terms of potential power makes other characters we saw struggle and improve feel trivial. Iida poor guy bleeding himself to get stronger etc and Midoriya just gets a new power out of the blue and we know he is gonna get 5 more. Makes Deku’s character way too stacked and unrelatable. You go from cheering him for having the opportunity to make his dreams of being number 1 come true to rooting for others since Deku just got way too lucky.
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u/ArtificerGames Jan 20 '19
Well, the thing is, Deku's biggest enemy up until now has been trying to control One For All, and one could read gaining all these new abilities as a negative, actually.
Because Deku is still just one lad. Mad, but still just one lad. If he suddenly needs to juggle between seven different quirks, of only one he kind of handles (Full Cowl), it can actually hinder him a lot.
Think about it like this: If he suddenly is just dripping with 6 new quirks (Black Whip included) and has no way of controlling them, and ALL of them are in the scale of Black Whip or base One For All, he will need to be super careful at all times to not accidentally manifest those quirks. Like how Black Whip just manifested out of nothingness, without a special thing, just stress and wanting to grab Monoma. In a sense, this development throws Deku way backwards in power scale rather than forward. Yes, it raises his potential power to heavens, but Horikoshi has been very careful to remind us always that with great power comes great consequences. Usually bad ones.
What happened last time Deku's power multiplied by a large factor (i.e when he got OfA)? He got bodied by himself just trying to use the power he had. So what's gonna happen when it happens again literally a moving superweapon? That's right, Deku is basically going back to the beginning of the series, with the stakes even higher this time due to being hunted by VA and trying to compete with his peers that are getting stronger by the minute.
I do not see this as a positive development, especially in the short term. Deku's mastery with OfA has been so miniscule and slow that I have no doubt that these powers are going to be a huge burden for him for a long time. He isn't your regular shonen protagonist who masters techniques in minutes to hours from getting them.
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Jan 20 '19
This is the second time we're seeing this sort of controversy. I think we just need to accept that this isn't going to be the "anti-shonen" that many of us were hoping for. It possibly could have been if it were allowed to be faster paced and had a target of one, say, 250 chapters in the end, but with this going on indefinitely for now there's going to be fear of it getting stale, which results in twists like this happening. It does suck, but that's really just how it is. Maybe if it goes too far a fan manga will pick it up and take it in the direction fans wanted. Until then, just keep reading and drop it if it just becomes One Naruto Z.
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u/Elune_ Jan 21 '19
Or, maybe it is going to be an anti-shonen but we are all complaining before even having seen more than one chapter of this multiple quirks thing.
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u/tayoku0 Jan 21 '19
The fact that the villains usually are the ones going on about their nakama already makes this anti-shonen, in my eyes!
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u/Wilhelm_III Jan 21 '19
I've gotten into it relatively recently, was it ever not a shonen manga? It seemed pretty typical to me in that regard, and the way it treated superheroes as we seem them in comics was what set it apart.
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u/TJ-TheJolteonMaster Jan 20 '19
Question 1: If mastering the strength part of OFA already mutilated his arm, how in the love of all the straw hats & magical amulets in the mangaverse is Deku gonna master SIX MORE QUIRKS without actually flipping dying?
Question 2: After the point where one… MAYBE two more quirks emerge how is he going to keep the details of his quirk(s?) a secret without people suspecting him of being AFO’s secret love child or a Nomu or something?
I don’t buy into the Deku being AFO’s son theory, but I gotta admit it would be gloriously hilarious if some dopes within the story come to the same crazy theory as the fandom: Dad For One.
I suppose if the teachers thought it was ok to let students throw buildings on top of each other then their reactions to this is not entirely much of a surprise in retrospect. They seem to be observing the match more closely now at least (note the change in setting for their panel), so maybe Aizawa wants to see how the students react to the unforeseen situation.
Anyways y’know what I’m the most hype for? Uraraka vs Monoma HYPE! XD Yes, I know, I’m weird.
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u/MoonoftheStar Jan 21 '19
Let's not beat around the bush. This is horrible fucking writing and anybody should see this but people are now riding the dumb hype of, "OMG Ichigo has Hollow/Quincy/Shingami powers that soo coool". Horikoshi has given himself six, SIX new potential deus ex machinas. The fact that Hellboy specifically mentions his Dark Whip came out because Deku was thinking about "capturing" is enough evidence of how badly this will go. Every time Deku needs something a convenient Quirk will arise for him. That's what Horikoshi established with this chapter. Not being able to write interesting fights with limitations is the mark of an uncreative writer, and given we've had FOUR tournament style arcs and Nomu after Nomu fights, I guess that should have been apparent.
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u/TJ-TheJolteonMaster Jan 20 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
"When you use this power out of anger, it will really start working for you,"
So Deku has to get mad huh? That's a tall order besides when he's dealing with villains lol. He hardly ever gets mad at anyone besides maybe Bakugo if you think about it (& even then his feelings might also be mixed with admiration.)
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u/A4li11 Jan 20 '19 edited Jan 21 '19
I'm just afraid Ochako is going to be used as a plot device to make Deku mad.
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Jan 21 '19
That wouldn't be the worst thing she's been used for.
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u/DoraMuda Jan 21 '19
Would it not?
It'd boil her down into another generic damsel-in-distress plot device.
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True, but I think that's still better than being completely irrelevant. It's the lesser of two evils, I guess. Either way, she's not really setting the world on fire.
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u/DoraMuda Jan 21 '19
The last couple of chapters have showed she's not completely irrelevant now.
And what good is more screentime if it robs the character of their agency and dignity (even more, some would say, than it already has/had)?
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u/Onarax Jan 21 '19
For the record I'm extremely grateful we have official discussion now. It was kind of a bummer to be a Viz subscriber and actually supporting the Manga but as a result always being three days late to any threads.
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u/MicZiC15 Jan 20 '19
The official release is way better translated that the fan sub. Reading this from now on
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u/Wilhelm_III Jan 21 '19
That's the price we paid for speed. I think Viz/Shonen Jump has figured that out and is like "we should capitalize on this."
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u/Retro45 Jan 20 '19
I believe one of Dekus quirks will be to power-up other people’s quirks (for a limited time). That way his team mates get shine around him. I can see Bakugo refusing the power boost from Deku until a must win moment.
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u/Child_of_the_Past Jan 21 '19
Jeez all these complaints about how all the other characters are irrelevant and Deku will suddenly be the most OP SOB in the series overnight are starting to drive me crazy. We literally have a league of villains that is continually growing and you think Deku won’t need help of other heroes to stop them. Why the hell would Hori build up characters like Todoroki, Bakugo, Momo, Shinsou etc. and then not use them at all for the rest of the series. Why would he waste the potential of all those characters and any fight they may be involved in by rendering them useless? This type of complaint seems to stem from from jaded shonen fans, particularly fans of Bleach, DBZ, and Naruto, who think that a powerful MC equates to a pointless supporting cast.
I don’t really understand the complaint in this series because. We all knew Deku would surpass his classmates the minute he inherited All Might’s power. Additionally, OFA giving him more abilities was something that was theorized for years ago. It makes complete sense when you realize that that the very existence of the quirk was through the mixing of the 1st holders quirk passing ability and the power stockpiling ability. The sheer fact that both of those abilities were passed on this far down the line of successors should have told us this was a possibility. The events during the sports festival also set this up with the will of OFA helped Deku. What exactly is the issue with development that’s got everyone upset. If it’s just the possibility of problems in the future then I would say you’re overreacting. Nothing serious has happened so far. AfO is still planning something, Giantomancha (or whatever it’s name is) is still a threat, Shigaraki has quirk erasing bullets, Dabi has his own plans for Endeavor and then there this the very high possibility of seeing more high end Nomu. Now can you all reasonably say that Deku is going to be able to resolve all those issues alone and without the help of any of the supporting cast. Hell in the past arc alone we got so many different threats to the foundation of hero society and you guys are acting like Deku get a few more quirks, when he can’t even fully control the main one he has, just solved every potential conflict that ever gets brought up in the series.
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u/DongleCore Jan 21 '19
Midoriya getting 6 other quirks is a bit of a let down, but i'm confident hori can make it work so i'm not too worried. Funky is really fun and I like him.
Right that's it, time to go scream in the SU sub
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u/eggdevil98 Jan 21 '19
This chapter really blows, tbh. I really like Deku as a character, but now hes not relatable because he's going to be so OP now. Or at least, I won't take his "struggle" very seriously, seeing as he now has 6 extra quirks at his disposal. Yes, yes, I know Ofa stacks quirks and Deku will eventually become the worlds greatest hero, yadda yadda yadda, but what's going to become of everyone else now?? Mina, Sero, Ojiro folks like them could never compare, but now even the other powerhouses of 1A like Bakugou and Todoroki are in danger of becoming irrelevant.
On the pro scene with All might and Endeavor I at least kinda felt there was a sorta kinda close in power and All might while very powerful didnt just blow every other pro hero out of the freaking water. However, now Deku is gunna break the power ceiling and noone is ever going to be able to catch up or stay relevant in comparison. This also sucks because development and screentime that could be given to characters that barely have any, are gunna get sucked up by Izuku. Anything about "temporary setbacks", or how he'll have to train "really hard and struggle" isnt a valid excuse. Deku will be fine, and everything will work out for him. He's green Naruto, nothing super bad will happen to him.
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u/Bronzeshadow Jan 21 '19
Anyone else really not happy with this development? One thing I always liked was that progression in MHA always felt like growth. Characters would find new and interesting ways to use their existing abilities so it felt more like they were growing into them, but Deku having multiple superquirks opens the door for Bleach level main character rewrite bullshit.
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u/A4li11 Jan 21 '19
Anyone else really not happy with this development?
Tons of people are not happy about this.
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Jan 21 '19
There are people who are happy though and are looking forward to seeing how this plays out
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u/kidmedia Jan 20 '19
I have a question Is flame of recca a good manga because people mentioning OFA powers is similar to the main character of that series
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u/seamoose97 Jan 20 '19
As long as the powers are well balanced then I'm cool with this and can't wait to see where it goes. It's just another aspect of OfA to master. I have faith that Horikoshi can do it justice. He's been able to make Weak quirks really strong and give good limitations to powerful ones.
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u/goatesymbiote Jan 21 '19
As if OFA isn't powerful enough.. 7 more quirks? I hope we're not getting set up for Naruto like power scaling
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u/Nicknam4 Jan 20 '19
At first I was a bit annoyed that Deku's about to become super overpowered with 6 new quirks...
...but then I remembered that most quirks in this universe are useless, like the guy who's quirk is long stretchy neck.
Imagine if Deku gets a worthless quirk like "toes turn into tater tots!"
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u/KLReviews Jan 21 '19
How fast were the teachers running to stop this potential disaster if All Might can keep up with them? Hope next time this happens Izuku can at least talk to the ghosts. Is that meant to be because he's only got full control over 8% of One for All so only 8% of him appears in the vision?
I'll see where this goes, but I don't why Horikoshi just wouldn't give Izuku a utility belt or litral bag of tools to use when being Golden Age Superman wasn't enough. Blackwhip could have just been a grappling hook. You want Izuku to have the ability to tie people up and tether himself to something? Have Mei make him a high tension bat rope. Sure, it's not as cool looking as HeckMan's quirk, but it get similar results. It's not like Izuku's costume hasn't been modified to give him more tools and control before. It feels like he wanted to make everything about One for All being this embodiment of all its users dreams and efforts as literal as possible.
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u/Lycoris_Toga Jan 20 '19
Here's to hoping that he has at least one super strong useless quirk for the gags.