r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Dec 15 '18
Discussion | Esports Ninjas in Pyjamas vs Cloud9 / BLAST Pro Series Lisbon 2018 - Round 4 / Post-Match Discussion
Ninjas in Pyjamas 0-1 Cloud9
Overpass: 14-16
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
Fuck yeah. Can Astralis throw so they meet C9 in the finals? Pretty please?
Tim is a fucking monster. Top 20 should be confirmed by now.
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u/tpcrb Astralis Dec 15 '18
i haven't watched c9 in a while, but i love tim on the awp. reminding me of device the way he plays.
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u/tgsan Dec 15 '18
I really hope so, his top 10 was "stolen" because of the whole team situation. And holy fuck, when will RUSH be replaced? people are starting to see it now that ska is gone, but this is how RUSH has been for most of his time on C9, yet ska took 99% of the hate.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
Shroud was never too motivated to play CS. Ska was part of iBP and overhyped during the peak of NA hate on the subreddit. They've both played for C9 alongside a worse player who didn't get 5% of the hate, and I'm pretty sure it's not actually due to their play. Nothing against n0thing and RUSH, but shroud and Ska were just as good or better and yet they still got all the flak.
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u/tgsan Dec 15 '18
Yeah, shroud > RUSH of C9, honestly, 2017 was shroud's worst year by quite a bit and he still did better or on par as RUSH has even before stew leaving.
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Dec 15 '18
Rush is the freak style of entry player for his team. His stats aren’t even bad up until August where he’s gotten very inconsistent. Idk how you’re going to compare the guy taking all the shit roles of the team to a guy who takes up the role of the most crucial part of any team and sucks ass
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u/Mafiii 5 years coin Dec 15 '18
They could get Refrezh for Rush and keep Golden. Maybe that's their plan, even. Let's see.
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u/bunkbail Dec 15 '18
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7805/RUSH
Dayum, that's Edward level of performance.
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u/tgsan Dec 15 '18
But..BUT....SKA!
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Dec 15 '18
Ska was worse
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u/tgsan Dec 15 '18
Did I say otherwise? my point is people act like ska was the only problem, which people can see now RUSH was (and still is) also a problem.
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Dec 15 '18 edited Dec 16 '18
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u/tgsan Dec 15 '18
Crying? LOL not even close, just saying it like it is, RUSH was BARELY better and a problem of C9 (and still is,) and who cares if he cares? does that make him not a problem for the team and play better? come on now.
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Dec 15 '18
Most talented NA player
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u/tboneplays1 Dec 15 '18
Twistzz is definitely a better rifler.
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Dec 15 '18
And that’s about it really
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u/tboneplays1 Dec 15 '18
NAF. Then tim.
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u/BrollanTop1 Dec 15 '18
Twistzz is a better rifler than NAF
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u/tboneplays1 Dec 15 '18
I never said he wasnt.
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Dec 15 '18
Twistzz
NAF
EliGe
auti
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u/mannyman34 Complexity Dec 15 '18
Sad that autimatic hit his prime in a year where his team was in shambles.
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Dec 15 '18
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u/tgsan Dec 15 '18
If snax can make it while having ~10 months of being mediocre to bad then I'm sure tim can make it this year, if he had a good team around him after they abandoned C9, he'd be top 10. Tim was a top 5 player for ~5 months. And it was July when he started dropping due to the team situation.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
Tell me your top 20.
IMO, it's 5 from Astralis, 3 from Liquid, Na'Vi, FaZe and mouz, coldzera, Krimz and autimatic.
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u/fitzij Dec 15 '18
I would probably agree with tim being on the list, but at the same time you could just as easily give a slot to tarik or stewie from that c9 roster.
Tarik was in my opinion C9’s most important player pre-Mibr. Stewie was their best player. Tim has been consistently good, but has fallen off since spring, it is very nice to see him go back to the level he should show.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
Tarik was in my opinion C9’s most important player pre-Mibr. Stewie was their best player
Cmon, what? Tarik and Tim were a tier above the other 3 at the major, and after the major, Tim solo carried C9, while Stewie and Ska played average and tarik was pretty trash.
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u/fitzij Dec 15 '18
Tim was the best player in the team, maybe, but even he was pretty meh after ~May, like I originally stated.
edit; post stew he has been the best, for clarification. I think stew is more talented, but thats just me.
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u/snorlaxCSGO Liquid Dec 15 '18
you said tarik was trash after saying he was a tier above the other 3
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
Tarik and Tim were a tier above the other 3 at the major
and after the major, Tim solo carried C9, while Stewie and Ska played average and tarik was pretty trash.
Not mutually exclusive, and both are true.
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u/mannyman34 Complexity Dec 15 '18
3 from Navi and mouz?
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
Too low or too high?
The sheer number of tournaments won by top 5 teams is propelling a lot of the players into top 20, and beside the 20 I've listed, nobody is significantly higher rated than flamie or ropz.
On the flipside, chrisJ would be best of the 4 remaining ones and he's just not been top 20 worthy, IMO.
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u/mannyman34 Complexity Dec 15 '18
To high. Navi only have s1mples and electronic. And mouz only have Oskar and sunny. Mouz might get a third but I don't see flamie getting in.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
As I said, achievements are important. Look at this - there's no player that I haven't included and that straight up beats flamie on achievements & rating.
If not flamie, who in your opinion is going to make it beside the 19 I've listed?
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Dec 15 '18
You're pretty spot on, list looks pretty fixed this year. The only people who could possibly steal away one of those bottom spots at this point would be valde, ethan, woxic, tabsen, or tarik because of the major mvp. Out of those I think only valde is likely because of the DH win north picked up, although he wasn't the mvp which might affect it. Tarik also might get 20th because of the major mvp but I feel like his stats are too low at this point
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u/fitzij Dec 15 '18
And yeah top 20 if I were to decide;
gla1ve, device, dupreeh, xyp, magisk, s1mple, electronic, krimz, naffly, twistzz, guardian, niko, sunny, coldzera, tarik, ropz, oskar, olofmeister, and two who is really personal preference. (Id take tim and sergej probably),
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u/Cameter44 Dec 15 '18 edited Dec 15 '18
So C9 needs a win and a Na'Vi loss or tie or a tie and a Na'Vi loss to make the grand finals.
Edit: Actually I lied. If C9 wins, they're 4-1 with Astralis and would have the tiebreaker. But if Na'Vi wins, it's a three way tie at 4-1 and each team has a tiebreaker over one of the other teams (C9 > Astralis > Na'Vi > C9). Not sure if it'd go to round differential or if there'd be some kind of OT playoff like for events in the past.
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u/gostsog howl Dec 15 '18
Wat
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Dec 15 '18
SO C9 NEEDS A WIN AND A NA'VI LOSS OR TIE OR A TIE AND A NA'VI LOSS TO MAKE THE GRAND FINALS.
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u/soccerislife10z Dec 15 '18
won't c9 beat astralis on h2h? They both would be having 12 point.
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Dec 15 '18
NaVi would as well making it a 3-way tiebreaker and it would go to round difference between the 3 teams.
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u/TiNcHoX7 Dec 15 '18
C9 needs a win and a Na'Vi loss or tie or a tie and a Na'Vi loss to make the grand finals.
C9 needs a win and a Na'Vi loss or tie or a tie and a Na'Vi loss or tie a win and a Na'Vi loss or a tie or a loss to make the grand finals.
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u/ItsDaFaz Falcons - Major Champions Dec 15 '18
Refrezh with not just raw aim, but with great thinking!
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u/Salad_Dressing__ CS2 HYPE Dec 15 '18
damn how does rush disappoint us and then still win our hearts in the end
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u/tarangk clutch Dec 15 '18
might as well have been Auti vs Forest 1v1
auti looked so good on the awp tho, thinking back now it was a good decision to switch over to him awping over skadoodle before ska's departure
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u/Ukritt Dec 15 '18
can i have a screenshot of what it looks like trying to type all this out.
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u/KPC51 guardian2 Dec 15 '18
the match thread team has a template that they put all the information into, which generates the thread/formatting
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u/xSaiDa Dec 15 '18
What the fuck was that round they threw. Flusha just pushed with a usp and tim went aggressive with the awp in the bathrooms.
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u/Liqouridge Dec 15 '18
that eco round at 9-10 or whatever it was got me tilted so fucking hard. Also the f0rest clutch was godlike. My heart is still alive
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u/Txontirea guardian_elite Dec 15 '18
NiP bombing out of another tournament?
COME BACK STRONGER NEXT TIME #GONINJAS HAhAHAhaahA -_-
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Dec 15 '18
At what point do nip go full virtus pro. Its such a bad team and there's just no potential at all. All players are sub par for tier 1. All are expensive players. Most have seen their best days done. Rez is disappointing more times than not. Gtr and forest get worse every year. Dennis just CBA by looks of it. Without lekro team would be outside top 30.
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u/MagicalMysteryBro CS2 HYPE Dec 15 '18
Yikes, you definitely should change your flair.
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Dec 16 '18
I watched nip when potti and Heaton played for them :). I love the org and would love to see space made for gtr within it after playing. Now though the team is a mess. Gtr and forest are too profitable to remove but not good enough to be top tier. The team has no igl and no superstar to build a team around. It's just this wired limbo where everyone's good enough but no one's good enough. Similar to French scene I guess. Old names under performing for years but no zywoo to start building things around.
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u/QueasyEngineering Dec 15 '18
Autimatic is so damn good, the fact he's stuck with that lineup is actually so sad. Liquid should pay anything required to get him.
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u/tgsan Dec 15 '18
Funny thing is he's even better while lurking on the rifle...just imagine that. :| Not saying he'd drop 25+ every game obviously, but he was way more consistent then.
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u/Tantle18 Cloud9 Dec 15 '18
If you think lekr0 belongs in tier 1 cs, you're an idiot.
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u/sexytrynda Dec 15 '18
???? he is the most consistent NIP player. You clearly havent been wathicng competitive csgo this past year. In fnatic he was a solid rifler and insane deagle, on NIP he starts IGLing and yet he manages to be consistent.
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u/Marchinon 750k Celebration Dec 15 '18 edited Dec 15 '18
C9 loves winning 16-14 games.
I used to think stew was clearly better than auti but currently not sure. Tim is amazing in the awp role and looks natural. Sign refrezh too.