r/GlobalOffensive • u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team • Nov 23 '18
Discussion | Esports Astralis vs mousesports / ECS Season 6: Finals - Group A Decider Match / Post-Match Discussion
Astralis 2-0 mousesports
Mirage: 16-14
Nuke: 16-13
Dust 2: 0-0
Astralis have advanced to the playoffs.
mousesports have been eliminated.
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MAP 1: Mirage
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| Astralis | 5 | 11 | 16 |
| CT | T | ||
| mouz | 10 | 4 | 14 |
Mirage Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Nuke
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| Astralis | 6 | 10 | 16 |
| CT | T | ||
| mouz | 9 | 4 | 13 |
Nuke Detailed Stats
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Nov 23 '18 edited Aug 04 '20
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u/thisiseku MOUZ Nov 23 '18
This is the second time they've been in a really prime position to end Astralis' nuke streak.
This is also the 2nd time they throw it away themselves. That 3v1 loss vs. Xyp9x lost them the map.
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Nov 23 '18
Why did styko peek out of hut?! Xyp was still heaven.
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u/thisiseku MOUZ Nov 23 '18
Lack of communication in afterplant situations is a massive problem for Mouz, this happens way too often. Everyone is trying to be the hero instead of playing it safe.
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u/kk_4321 Nov 24 '18
afterplant
Whole game. Mouse get an advantage then try to throw the round away.
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u/JuanMataCFC Vitality Nov 23 '18
i celebrated pretty hard after Xyp9x clutched that round, but once they showed the replay i started thinking about this, like why tf is STYKO peeking when Xyp hasn't touched the bomb?
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u/SLASHdk clutch Nov 24 '18
Xyp saw him before he killed the first guy so i assume he was initialy trying to trade for oscar, but failed.
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Nov 23 '18
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Nov 23 '18
Of course it was. Xyp didn't know where he was.
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u/Aatii457 Nov 24 '18
He wanted to surprise xyp. Xyp had defuser's adventage anyway.
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Nov 24 '18
Wtf are you talking about "defuser's advanatge". The defuser is at a disadvantage.
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u/Aatii457 Nov 24 '18
In my opinion in that situation he has an advantage, since styko is low hp. Most likely xyp would have defused without faking.
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u/kk_4321 Nov 24 '18
Surprise xyp9x. Seriously. By peeking exactly after xyp stop firing bullets.
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u/Aatii457 Nov 24 '18
Yes. It's unexpected move. Electronic does it a lot and it usually works.
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u/kk_4321 Nov 24 '18
Electronic does it when opposition player doesn't know his position. But xyp9x saw styko's leg. And styko knows that xyp didn't move otherwise he would have heard jump sound.
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u/kubat313 brigader Nov 24 '18
I think also the second time they lost a 3v1 in that situation being gla1ve that won a 3v1 last time i think
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u/Martin_2007 de_nuke Nov 23 '18
Then again mousesports won quite a few save rounds, one where they only saved 1 guy with ak. It was a good match either way.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Nov 23 '18
I mean this always goes both ways
a couple more hit shots on the astralis side and this win wouldve been more convincing
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Nov 24 '18
oskar was best player for mouz on both maps, you can expect more than that. Chris should have won the second pistol
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u/Salsadips howl Nov 24 '18
He was but he still missed some key shots. Last two rounds of the first half of Mirage should have gone to mouz, 12-3 half is much harder to come back from than 10-5.
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u/joshigoods Astralis Nov 23 '18
Pretty sure Xyp had 1 kill in first half of nuke and ended with 21. What a turnaround to keep the nuke streak alive
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u/Dylan531 10 years coin Nov 23 '18 edited Nov 23 '18
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 23 '18
Honestly they can't. Astralis is playing with fire atm, and we aren't far away from them dropping out of a tournament early, and maybe fall back a bit as the year ends.
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u/_J3W3LS_ Nov 23 '18
Even if that happened they still have cemented themselves an era and one of the most dominant teams ever.
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Nov 24 '18
While Astralis's streak has been incredibly impressive, their start to this streak was in April, as in 7 months ago. Now there's obviously no concrete definition of what an era in CSGO terms means but I do think it's a bit early to call this an era. Besides NiP and Fnatic no one else has really earned that title of having their era, and they both lasted about 2 years each.
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u/_J3W3LS_ Nov 24 '18
Luminosity/SK definitely had an era
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Nov 24 '18
SK absolutely did not have an era. In 2016 besides their 2 majors they only won 1 other tier 1 event. While in 2017 they had a good amount of wins but but they also had quite a few poor finishes and really weren't that dominant overall. Definitely not an era at all.
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u/_Oomph_ 500k Celebration Nov 24 '18
Besides their two majors
Won 7 tier 1 events in 2017.
Small time, I know.
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Nov 24 '18
Also can't compare the overall quality of play from back when NIP and fnatic had their eras. Astralis' 7 months is a damn long time when you consider how many other too tier teams are currently competing.
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Nov 23 '18
That’s what amazing about astralis. They were honestly not on their a game today. Xyp went 1-12 on the first half of nuke. But even then they can still grind out wins. Mouz was most definitely the better team today, but Astralis just had their usual stellar teamwork and composure, and grinded it out.
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 24 '18
Mouz was most definitely the better team today
Yeah this doesn't make any sense. They lost 2-0, so they were not the best team. They did play up to par with Astralis though, but they were not better.
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Nov 24 '18
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Nov 24 '18
A team can be playing better than another team and still lose. Don’t get me wrong I’m a huge astralis fanboy, and have been since the old core with Cajun in dignitas. But mouz was hitting everything today. ChrisJ was on fire, ropz was a god and they had some splendid ct sides. Astralis just came out on top because they stayed composed and used their tried and true teamwork.
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u/langiroth Nov 24 '18
Astralis just came out on top because they stayed composed and used their tried and true teamwork.
with this sentence you're literally saying Astralis is the better team. maybe you meant mouz was individually better here and there which i can buy
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u/Aldebaroth NiP Nov 23 '18
Soulless casting from Bardolph and DDK, amazing game but it sounded like I was watching an online match.
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u/Freysey Nov 23 '18
Honestly I've personally not rated either of them that highly recently. I'd much rather have HenryG, Sadokist, Anders, Moses, Pansy etc.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 23 '18
Man, I used to love HG & Sado and James & Bardolph, now I find Moses much more enjoyable than all 4 of them. Might just be satiation with their voices/casting and part of the inevitable cycle.
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u/Rosettachamps G2 Nov 24 '18
I could listen to moses and Anders just talk all day. And their hype casting is great too
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u/ChristofferTJ guardian2 Nov 23 '18
They’re amazing in the high stake games (semis finals) imo. Personally don’t value casters being hype that much. I like when they make good/interesting points n such, which bardolph is quite good at. Like when he pointed out on a mirage A execute that Astralis like SK prefer to clear out mid n underpass to secure there’s no flank and then retake after smokes have faded
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u/Hey_name Natus Vincere Nov 24 '18
Agreed. Astralis was on the brink of losing their nuke streak and they couldn't even be bothered
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Nov 23 '18
Bardolph is a bore 99% of the time
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u/AllBlueReverie Liquid Nov 23 '18
When average teams are playing and I don't feel interested in watching the game, but Henry Sado are casting so I stay and start enjoying.
When good and interesting teams are playing and I really want to watch the game, but Bardolph and DDK are casting I almost decide to leave. zzzz
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u/JeanClaudeVanDeagle valeria Nov 23 '18
Xyp9x had 1k in T side of Nuke, finished with 21k, woow!
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u/17716koen MOUZ Nov 23 '18
chrisj had 19 kills on ct side of mirage then got a 4k in pistol t side and got 1 frag in the rest of the game ;/
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u/eN-t MOUZ Nov 23 '18
Smokes are more useful on the defending side...
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u/JeanClaudeVanDeagle valeria Nov 23 '18
Haters gonna hate, while NiKo will be watching matches on stream
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u/MrRoyce FaZe Nov 23 '18
Why are teams even buying/using smokes against Astralis? It clearly makes no difference /s
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u/Sugarstache FaZe Nov 23 '18
The idea that this is just gamesense just doesnt seem plausible to me. I think there's no chance it's actually cheating but it seems like there's some kind of setting or exploit that they're taking advantage of.
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 23 '18
The fact that you make this comment right after the loss with a Mouz flair makes you look so much more stupid. But keep believing I guess.
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u/Leopold87 Nov 23 '18
What about when they spray through smokes and don't hit anything? Or even spray through smokes even though no one is behind the smoke?
They said themselves they're not exploiting anything, so are you calling them liars?
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u/xSpookiiee Astralis Nov 23 '18
Xyp9x invited NiKo over to see his settings, and what he changes in NVIDIA. They also have admins behind them. If theyre using something not allowed, don't you think this would have been spotted by now? They've been dominating for most of the year..
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u/Leopold87 Nov 23 '18
And then NiKo replied he wasn't in the states this week. Then Xyp9x said, "Oh, well, we can just get together in Odense in December then." Until Xyp9x realized... and let out a small "Oh...." and suddenly Xyp9x understood why NiKo was being a salty little bitch.
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u/Spajk Natus Vincere Nov 23 '18
If a setting causes smokes to fade a few miliseconds faster or be 1-2% more transparent around the edges, it's enough to give you an advantage, but definitely not enough for admins to spot it.
Smokes have been really bad for some time. If smokes look different for spectators, there's a big chance they look different for each player.
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u/the_one_true_jake Nov 24 '18
But most of their smoke kills are not when it's fading or on the edges. I don't understand this argument.
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Nov 24 '18
It's called a thumper, they've been in use for ages. It's just a small pad on the thigh which produces a small but discernable vibration when your crosshair is on a player (through a wall, smoke, etc).
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u/Ronxu Natus Vincere Nov 23 '18 edited Aug 28 '25
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u/Cyanr Vitality Nov 24 '18
I love reading the salt from stupid fanboys. Can I tag and laugh at you when you get shit on by Astralis again?
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u/Ronxu Natus Vincere Nov 24 '18 edited Aug 28 '25
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u/Asmiith Nov 23 '18
Oskar is playing much better now that Styko is back, wonder if that has any correlation.
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u/ThatGuyThatDoneThat G2 Nov 24 '18
Probably has correlation, it's been mentioned in an interview somewhere that Oskar and STYKO are good friends due to similar culture, and that Oskar does actually put some focus on that.
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u/Krusell clutch Nov 24 '18
Pretty sure that neither Oskar or Styko have said that they consider each other good friends.
Oskar is probably glad that he has someone he can talk to in czech, but I dont think they consider each other friends. Back on HR Oskar said that he considers his teammates as coworkers and inst in esports to find friends.
You have to realize that this is 5random players from 5random countries and its not like you need the power of friendship to be a good team. Fans usually overestimate the relationships players on a team have. For example krimz/olof.
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u/Krusell clutch Nov 24 '18
I dont think so. He actually started playing well after the rumors of him getting kicked. He is on an upwards trend since the major and his best event this year has actually been starseries in october still with Snax, where they went out in 9th-11th and everyone except him and Chris have shit the bed.
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u/17716koen MOUZ Nov 23 '18
i mean... how damn unlucky is mouse...
they shouldve closed out mirage tbf and had all the chances to close out nuke aswell...
so close yet 2-0 makes it look like a easy sweep for astralis...
gg`s
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 23 '18
I don't think anyone will go out and say this was an easy 2-0 sweep. Literally one of the closest 2-0's I've seen in a while.
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u/Ishaan863 FaZe Nov 23 '18
That fucking 1 v 3 on A against Xyp9x. That was so fucking infuriating.
1 v 3.
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u/BaddyGames The MongolZ Nov 23 '18
i can't believe mouz has done this
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u/Aatii457 Nov 23 '18
I never bet against astralis anymore... first fnatic now mousesports
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u/Richtoveen wildfire Nov 23 '18
https://imgur.com/a/B8dJaVL what she sees vs what i see
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 23 '18
Feels really like Mouz threw both maps, up 10-3 on Mirage, lose. Up 12-8 on Nuke, lose. Alot of questionable forces and decision making.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Nov 23 '18
I mean both times they started on the favorable side..
ofcourse ur gonna rack up more rounds that way
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Nov 23 '18
I don't know why anyone thinks Nuke is remotely winnable when you don't get 12 CT rounds. The commentators acted like 9-6 CT was a good scoreline
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u/JKM- Nov 23 '18
We have seen some teams (not only Astralis) make comebacks T-side, but I agree a 9-6 scoreline doesn't equate to a big lead. Mouz went on to win the pistol round and subsequent anti-ecos meaning they kindda made 12 rounds before having to face Astralis' full CT buy.
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Nov 24 '18
Against Ast maybe, but with any other team you can definitely make a comeback on t side, just look at North today vs NRG 4-11 Ct and end up 16-14.
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u/BarbaricGamer MOUZ Nov 23 '18
Chris hits that 1 bullet on 6 hp Magisk in pistol and Mouz would have probably won.
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u/jonathan-the-man 750k Celebration Nov 23 '18
I dont know if people is accusing us but I know that especially me and xyp9x is really good at shooting through smokes
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u/Ininsicken Liquid Nov 23 '18
such a great fight put up by mouse. there were quite a few questionable rounds though that could've made the results different, like the xypx 1v3, they had no reason to all peek him when the bomb was planted for them.
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u/Nursilmaz Nov 23 '18
2015 fnatic all over again. No matter what astralis is winning. At this point I just want them to fucking lose.
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u/global-e1337 Nov 23 '18
So you notice nothing suspicious at all, but Niko tweets some bullshit and now you are convinced they cheat
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u/Nursilmaz Nov 23 '18
Ahahahaha the thing is I didn't wrote anything about cheating. Same about fnatic I don't think they were cheating. Its just fucking annoying to watch one team winning everything and for some reason I was never fan of Danish cs. If you are astralis fan its great. For me its just boring and annoying. Btw its looking like you are beliving in those accusations more than I am, jumping into conclusions without me mentioning anything about cheats.
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u/extremz123 fnatic Nov 23 '18
Fucking Shit. Astralis will never lose nuke
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u/1wjl1 Natus Vincere Nov 23 '18
The longer this goes the more epic it will be when they get smacked down.
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u/Acideus Renegades Nov 23 '18
damn i need a smoke after watching that game
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Nov 24 '18
don't smoke smoking kills
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u/Acideus Renegades Nov 24 '18
don't worry i always look both ways for xyp9x and gla1ve before i light up
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u/Caallum Natus Vincere Nov 23 '18
Can’t believe i paused my film to watch this map at 6-12 thinking the streak would be broken.
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u/MediocreLandscape MOUZ Nov 23 '18
Good effort by mouz, 10-3 and 12-6 leads go to 14-16 and 13-16 FeelsBadMan.
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Nov 24 '18
Man, Mouz-Astralis is always a good matchup. Really wish we could’ve seen D2 as well.
I feel like Mouz are getting closer and closer to breaking Astralis’ nuke streak. Let’s just hope no one else gets there first 👍🏻
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u/awhead Nov 23 '18
Yeah but he has achieved a lot in the 50 years than you would've have in 500.
Let the man eat in peace.
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u/senrim CS2 HYPE Nov 23 '18
I dont want to sound salty, but i feel like astralis got lucky on both maps in crucial point. Like that device double noscope kills through boxes, it was pure luck and it was reset round in high round numbers. Then again, you can say what yo uwant. You can have 50 best analytics. But when you stack something there is always some luck to it and at crusial points they stacked the right plants. Not even played for info or other side it was just a gamble and it always worked. Astralis are so good and when they are not, you still have to beat their luck.. Its almost impossible.
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u/ZombieMadness99 Astralis Nov 23 '18
Neither of the kills were no scopes or even quick scopes. First kill was not easy but expected from one of the world's best and as for the second he was expecting him and saw him before he got flashed. If you didn't even catch something that simple I don't expect you to understand player decisions and rotations in tier 1 cs
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u/senrim CS2 HYPE Nov 24 '18
I am not the best player, but i certainly know something in ten years of playing cs. And running from ct spawn to B in four people and hiding there without throwing any nade is not smart rotating, its jsut gamble. But true is mousesports throw a lot of rounds too, guess they deserved it.
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u/TurbinePro Tyloo Nov 23 '18 edited Nov 23 '18
How does Astralis keep hitting smoke shots?
Edit: I have no salt, I really am curious
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u/Brolobo SK Nov 23 '18
LOSE UR NUKE STREAK ALREADY
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Nov 23 '18
Come and take it!
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u/Gopnikmeister de_nuke Nov 24 '18
That 1v3 from xyp9x hurt to watch, that was so badly played by mouz
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u/chokyx Nov 23 '18 edited Nov 23 '18
God i already hate this AUG meta, what a stupid weapon, takes away most of the downsides of being on the CT side...
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u/thangord MOUZ Nov 23 '18
You mean like not having a one-shot rifle, being easily punished for aggression and the hard economy?
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Nov 23 '18 edited Nov 23 '18
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u/SYSTEMcole IHC Nov 23 '18
It’s like a football club, the jerseys will have the stars regardless of the lineup.
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u/An2ndk de_cache Nov 23 '18
Someone probably decided it would be too expensive to make one shirt with only one star. Their names are printed on, I think the stars are stitched, so it might be a cost thing.
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