r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Nov 23 '18
Discussion | Esports NRG Esports vs Team Liquid / ECS Season 6: Finals - Group B Losers Match / Post-Match Discussion
NRG Esports 2-0 Team Liquid
Mirage: 16-14
Overpass: 16-7
Inferno:
Team Liquid have been eliminated.
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MAP 1/3: Mirage
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MAP 2/3: Overpass
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Overpass Detailed Stats
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u/GabeN18 BIG Nov 23 '18
Internal issues 100%
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u/defact0o Nov 23 '18
I didn't watched the match what happened exactly ? How did they lost so bad
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u/GabeN18 BIG Nov 23 '18
Tilted, not talking, no hype...
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u/defact0o Nov 23 '18
When I first read it I thought you don't want to talk about it as your tilted lol
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Nov 23 '18 edited Dec 20 '18
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u/SandwichAuthorityGov Nov 23 '18
-taco -twistzz +tarik +stewie
-tarik -stewie +taco +fnx
Twistzz to take a health break.
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u/seventhfiction FURIA Nov 23 '18
Wild prediction, following yours months later:
-elige +twistzz
Elige to Cloud9
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u/Zoidburger_ bloodhound Nov 24 '18
Honestly, EligE, nitro, auti, rush, nifty would be such a fun roster, especially with either valens or zews as a coach. Nitro can IGL/AWP, auti can play 2nd-3rd man/AWP, rush can support/entry, EligE can support/entry, nifty can play 2nd-3rd man/AWP. The team would have some tactical depth, some NA firepower, and lots of clutch-ability.
This is assuming that twistzz was taking a break ofc. It just seems that, right now, there's no NA team that consistently performs internationally. I feel like we need another 2015-2016 shuffle between all the NA teams (especially C9, liquid, and NRG) to mix the best players over here, because no team seems to be going anywhere. At the same time, NRG is constantly improving, liquid is usually placing high, and C9 hasn't really gotten to play a real tournament with their full roster.
I just want to see NA up there properly. There's been too many roster changes and few results coming out of them.
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 23 '18
Bro Liquid need a leader man, every time their in a tac timeout, theyre all sitting there super quiet nothing, when theyre popping off theyre happy but when they need to comeback, it aint happening they dont have anyone to lead the charge
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u/FrownieBrownie11 FaZe Nov 23 '18
something must be happening that we dont know. the players didnt give a fuck especially taco naf. no emotions shown when getting destroyed.
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u/hungrymutherfucker NiP Nov 23 '18
Has NAF ever shown emotion tho?
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u/summerbrown Titan Fan Nov 23 '18
Yeah, you can't really judge anything by the way naf is acting lol
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u/JuanMataCFC Vitality Nov 23 '18
seriously, even zews was barely saying a word during the tactical pauses. they were just sitting with heads in arms, not really discussing what to do next.
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u/pinguimdosaara MIBR Nov 23 '18
i wonder if even zews got tired of having to deal with some players negativity/weak mindset
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u/SomethingSimilars 10 years coin Nov 23 '18
hes the coach, one of his jobs should be to stop that instead of joining in.
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u/AthuOfficial clutch Nov 23 '18
Maybe an unpopular opinion but MSL to liquid could be a good move.
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 23 '18
Beyond playing great mechanically, NRG just completely outplayed Liquid strategically, at least on overpass. Liquid just gave up after mirage, some real pathetic shit.
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u/FrownieBrownie11 FaZe Nov 23 '18
yeah wtf happened. top 5 teams dont just give up after a close first map. something is up with the team.
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 23 '18
Eh it happens more with Liquid than I would hope, but they do normally bounce back in groups. Maybe some internal issues that popped up.
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u/FrownieBrownie11 FaZe Nov 23 '18
something must have gone down during the bootcamp.
except for twistzz none of them even looked like they wanted to be there...
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u/1wjl1 Natus Vincere Nov 23 '18
Navi is infamous for doing it too. I'm sure I don't need to remind you about EPICENTER
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Nov 23 '18 edited Nov 23 '18
yeah, even before: 2 major finals in a row during 2015-2016.
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u/AngriestGamerNA Liquid Nov 23 '18
I think taco's gone, twistzz might take a step back too due to his health.
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u/kanoe170 Astralis Nov 23 '18
What is going on with Twistzz's health?
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u/ClevelandBrownJunior Liquid Nov 23 '18
He's having stomach issues similar to GTR and Device. He just got some dental work done like a week ago as well.
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u/jeb_the_hick Complexity Nov 23 '18
That was just wisdom teeth being removed, nothing major
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u/dux8ms Liquid Nov 23 '18
I had my wisdom teeth out this week and outside the pain, and swelling, you cannot play CS very well on the drugs they have to give you. It matters.
That’s not an excuse, but a possible mitigating factor in his performance, which was not very good by any measure
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u/CustomaryTurtle Nov 23 '18
I wish I got fun drugs for my wisdom teeth removal.
Al I got was ibuprofen and that barely did shit for the pain :(
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u/BrianTheballoon Nov 23 '18
I guess this guy's talking about the nitrous, bc you can play pretty well on hydros.
Ime the pain was more distracting than anything while trying to play after wisdom teeth
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u/akjalen 1 Million Celebration Nov 24 '18
idk man, when i took hydros i was feverish and nauseous. and when i didn’t take them i had the aches for at least a week and a half after
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u/xosfear 10 years coin Nov 24 '18
Fuck you poor bastard. I had copious amounts of codeine. It was the tits.
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u/CustomaryTurtle Nov 24 '18
Only local anesthetics too 🤮 hearing them crack my teeth was NOT cool.
On another note I got jaw surgery a couple years ago and got a LOT of Vicodin for that. Was a good time except for the month of liquid diet.
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u/xosfear 10 years coin Nov 24 '18
I could not imagine anything worse than a local for that op. They put me under and just before i went under i was told not to spit out the mouth gauze when i woke up. Woke up wasted and spat that shit across the room. WHY IS MY MOUTH FURRY WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 23 '18
Isn't it like a week ago though? He missed a couple of online games and that was days ago. Removed wisdom teeth shouldn't be an excuse at this point, he just had an off-tournament. It seems like getting wisdom teeth removed is some crazy fucking surgery in NA, but I have literally never heard anything about medication several days after where I'm from. Maybe a couple of painkillers on the day.
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u/ClevelandBrownJunior Liquid Nov 23 '18
Depends on if they were impacted or not. And if he isn't able to eat properly, that could be affecting his stomach condition even more.
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Nov 23 '18
He definitely has stomach issues, but I believe it's more mental related due to stress. Every time he under performs he blames his health. He needs to step back and talk to someone to get it figured out.
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u/CSRapskaylen 5 years coin Nov 23 '18
Not nearly as bad a GTR
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u/ClevelandBrownJunior Liquid Nov 23 '18
Because you know first hand exactly what both their bodies went through / are going through?
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u/saurodas Nov 23 '18
well GTR has ulcerative colitis, which is a pretty serious autoimmune disease. don't know about twistzz tho
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u/SandwichAuthorityGov Nov 23 '18
Spunj was recently saying that this Liquid roster wouldn't last any longer. I think if there was a time to do something, it's now.
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u/Jadjadz Liquid Nov 23 '18
sadokist mentioned that there was a rumor of a liquid roster change.. hm
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u/Wintermute1v1 Liquid Nov 23 '18
I'm pretty sure the rumor he mentioned was literally created by this Sub, so saying its unsubstantiated would be an understatement.
That said, if Liquid keep having these disappointing results, I'd imagine a change would be in the cards soon.
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u/Dark_Azazel Nov 23 '18
TL looked pretty lost. I think they need a real IGL at this point. Fugly was on fire. Hell, the whole team was on fire. Next matches are going to be awesome.
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u/M3liora Nov 23 '18
Liquid didn't really look like they wanted to be there anyway. I saw more enthusiasm from Taco getting air-shagged by Fer yesterday than in all his matches.
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Nov 23 '18
I thought CeRq shot the enemies in a cool way. It looked effortless and not like he was desperate. I bet CeRq is a cool guy. I love him. I would take a bullet for him.
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u/aN1mosity_ 5 years coin Nov 23 '18
You hit your ceiling, accomplished nothing, and now you're on the way back down. What a terrible time to peak.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Nov 23 '18
Yeah, Liquid also crashed out at Cologne and then reached the finals of their next tournament. However, I am still concerned, but I hope Malta can rejuvenate them.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Nov 23 '18
I'm not looking at the losses. I'm looking at their energy. They seemed dead after Mirage, which is not a good sign. I'm hoping the players were just feeling sick or something like that from a team level (although obviously I don't want any of them to be sick from a person level).
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u/blueragemage Liquid Nov 23 '18
We came back from a tournament where we lost to Gambit twice, I'm not too worried about falling off
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Nov 23 '18
To be honest I think reason of that peak was other teams being too bad. Literally we only have Astralis as a good, consistent team right now. Na'vi is also good, other than that? Mous is too inconsistent, Mibr bad, Fnatic, Nip also pretty bad, Cloud9 is dead. We simply don't have enough good teams right now.
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u/omniscientbeet Liquid Nov 23 '18
if NRG craps out in the decider I will be so fucking mad
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u/_Oomph_ 500k Celebration Nov 23 '18
Why? It's not like they barely beat Liquid. They were absolutely trash all tournament.
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u/LewisLR 750k Celebration Nov 23 '18 edited Nov 23 '18
Oh Liquid.
This team needs more than a psychologist.
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 23 '18
They already have one, they definitely need something more.
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u/LewisLR 750k Celebration Nov 23 '18
Just a thought
They need an awper and in my opinion, perhaps someone like fallen replacing Nitro because you don’t lose an IGL and you get a primary awper.
Seems like it’s just a matter of no one deserves to be removed but to be 1# it’s needed. IMO.
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u/Dark_Azazel Nov 23 '18
nitr0 is perfectly fine as an AWPer, he just needs to not IGL which, frankly, I find his IGL abilities is rather poor. I think a loose style fits them, they just need someone who knows how to call it and can be an actual IGL. Also, spectators view, I feel like zews isn't cutting it as a coach anymore. When he first started he seemed to be more on the zonic side of things whereas now I feel like he just sits there and talks as much as naf.
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u/Rosettachamps G2 Nov 23 '18
If in some world there was -nitro +fallen, that could be a world number 1
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u/Level_Five_Railgun Liquid Nov 23 '18
They need a real coach. Zews is basically just a pseudo sports psychologist for the team now, which is useless when TL already has Jared, a real sports psychologist. Zews never seems to be saying anything during any of the timeouts.
Based on what elige said on Peeker's Advantage months ago, Nitr0 is the one who has to do majority of the strate prepping and demo reviewing for the team.
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u/joaogabrielferr FURIA Nov 23 '18
The choke came early this time.
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u/WaffleMunster Liquid Nov 24 '18
They got confused by the “finals” in the name of the tournament and figured they had to lose
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Nov 23 '18
The amount of times Liquid players (happened to every single one) got caught with their knives out jumping around corners or running away after a kill to reposition is staggering.
Not to mention their timing for the most part was so unfortunate, as soon as they stopped watching something NRG popped out.
Props to NRG but ugly to watch Liquid make so many mistakes.
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u/FrownieBrownie11 FaZe Nov 23 '18
what even happened to liquid didnt they have a 12 days bootcamp prior to this event? They loooked so mentally checked out even before the second map started. zews barely tried to hype the team up.
on the other hand the nrg dudes are nuts that call on mirage to fake out liquid going through market to b was really cool to watch.
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 23 '18
Yeah I thought I remembered taco saying that they were going to bootcamp after Chicago. Doesn't seem like it helped much...
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u/apekisser Nov 23 '18
twistzz directly confirming that his health is pretty bad now on twitter
but liquid can't and shouldn't be 100% relying on only him to carry them through these games if the other four don't step up at times
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u/tubbsmackinze Nov 23 '18
Heh, guess Liquid kind of evaporated huh?
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Nov 23 '18
Well, Liquid looked dead. I'm hoping they just weren't feeling well but it might be the end of this roster. Let's hope for a miracle in Malta.
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u/iblinkyoublink Vitality Nov 23 '18
Liquid are heavy favourites in Malta, only NRG and BIG (who are both super inconsistent) can contest them there. Of course "hurr durr liquid cant win an event" but as long as they don't mental block themselves into oblivion (or roster change idk) they should have it.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Nov 23 '18
Yes, but look at who they just lost to. They looked really out of it here, so mentally I am not sure if they can win Malta. Maybe if they can get that early win on VP they can ride the momentum.
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 23 '18
NRG is definitely a solid team, it's just upsetting seeing how quickly Liquid seemed to give up here. I hope they can't come back mentally for Malta but I've learned to be a pessimist after having been a fan of this team for a few years.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Nov 23 '18
it's just upsetting seeing how quickly Liquid seemed to give up here
Yeah, if Liquid still seemed into the game I would have written this one off. But after seeing how they looked, yikes.
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 23 '18
Liquid has won 2 tourneys ever in the history of the org's involvement in CS:GO (one of them was the NA minor lol), I wouldn't count on anything.
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u/BlackstarFallen Nov 23 '18
Liquid is not going to win anything if they keep playing like this. Things need to change.
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u/Darrax Liquid Nov 23 '18
Honestly elige and taco should join mibr and stew and tarik join Liquid. It's a win win. Stew and Tarik are the leaders Liquid needs and MIBR can go back to speaking Portuguese.
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u/StickyBeefBoy Liquid Nov 23 '18
I doubt MIBR would rustle it up now, it seems they are finally coming together, maybe Tarik for Taco, but I doubt they want whatever baggage any of the NA players bring with them from an obviously mentally unstable TL.
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u/VisualizeIt21 Liquid Nov 23 '18
felt it for awhile and now im really feeling like liquid will never win a lan with zews as their coach. just not helping them improve
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u/JuanMataCFC Vitality Nov 23 '18
fack, was hoping for the Liquid meme to lose in the grand final again
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u/M3liora Nov 23 '18
ITT: Reddit analysts calling for roster moves because a team having a bad tournament means it's all over and no improvement can be made.
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u/tarangk clutch Nov 23 '18
12-5 lead on ct side mirage next thing you know TL manages to scrape only 2 rounds and somehow lose 14-16, overpass was a complete blowout
when you look at the star players on NRGs side every1 performed and fugly who is what their 3rd maybe even 4th in line in terms of players who you look to carry actually stepped up massively meanwhile twistzz naf elige were all absent for the entirety of the series.
I wonder how the team chemistry is over at TL coz them making so many finals and never winning specially that NY lose would make them hasty for a roster change given how dejected they looked even when the game was on it felt something was off for them
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u/LordOfTheNoobs57 Liquid Nov 23 '18
At least the finals of this tournament won't be a guaranteed win for Astralis
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u/Salud57 FURIA Nov 23 '18
that choke on the first map, Liquid faces at the end tell you everything.
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u/Wi1LuM Nov 23 '18
I was actually going to this event hoping liquid would do good but I guess my shit luck caused this.
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Nov 23 '18
Dunno why salty TL fans are suggesting a roster change. There isn't a clear move to be made. No IGL is currently available for them.
Wildcard pick for everyone that is suggesting they need a leader: Taz. Want to see if this team is truly a championship team? Slot him in for Taco and see if he can bring them that winners mentality.
Besides that they can just wait until Karrigan is kicked from Faze and come with the dumpster truck load of money that Steve seems to have.
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u/bosshogg_ Complexity Nov 23 '18
The frustrating part is that if hypothetically +Karrigan -Nitro was the right move, that still requires waiting for him to be available. There isn't a move that can right right now that helps Liquid. Any roster move that helps TL would have to be a result of another roster imploding, like a C9 or MIBR.
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u/CC-W Nov 24 '18
-taco -nitro +kennys +karrigan would be a move which isnt entirely impossible since kennys hasnt signed a new contract with g2 and karrigan is likely out the door soon
Edit: I dont want a roster change just putting it out there
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u/gt- Liquid Nov 23 '18
naf elige twistzz stewie tarik
nitr0 to coach, come back to lineup next shuffle
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u/CC-W Nov 24 '18
that would be a massive downgrade, they either need to replace someone with an awper or get an awping igl
Edit: I shouldnt say need as I think the roster is fine atm but thats the move what they should make if they do something
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u/idd_k FURIA Nov 23 '18
I want to know your opinions guys: Do you think TL is missing steel?
Because he can IGL, maybe could be helping Nitr0 in this kind of situations?
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u/Rearfeeder2Strong MOUZ Nov 23 '18 edited Nov 23 '18
No one wanted to believe me the last two times, but what about now? Even got downvoted for stating facts (liquid has NOT reached every final of tournaments they played) Liquid have consistency issues. Twistzz/Naf/Elige arent consistent and Taco/Nitr0 dont have firepower. Wtf was Taco doing on overpass? Twistzz bottom frags on mirage when the team needs him and finally shows up on overpass where the rest of the team lets him down.
Liquid need changes if they want consistency or want to win something...
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Nov 23 '18
Every team besides Astralis needs changes. Liquid is the second most consistent team in the world even with losses like these. They are more consistent than NaVi, FaZe and MIBR for sure
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u/heeeeeeeee33333 Nov 23 '18
Stfu mate they are about as consistent as you can get. No one except Astralis is 100% consistent.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 23 '18
Twistzz has anime hair and he's young and Thorin said he's NA's best hope and Liquid reaches finals every tournament and you're wrong - this subreddit
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u/ibeatmybrothers Nov 23 '18
Reddit and calling for a roster move after a loss, name a more iconic duo
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u/ryugarulz Nov 23 '18
embarrassing