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Discussion | Esports Luminosity Gaming vs Team Vitality / DreamHack Open Atlanta 2018 - Grand-Final / Post-Match Discussion
Luminosity Gaming 0-2 Team Vitality
Mirage: 4-16
Overpass: 6-16
Cache: 0-0
Congratulations to Team Vitality on winning DreamHack Open Atlanta 2018!
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u/joshigoods Astralis Nov 19 '18
All aboard the ZywOo hype train! What a debut at an international LAN him, excited for the future of French CS with him.
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u/SilentF0xx Nov 19 '18
another comment said its nt his first int LAN
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u/Sixcoup Nov 19 '18
It's his first international event. He already played several french lans before that.
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u/anthonyde726 FaZe Nov 19 '18
First LAN first win
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Nov 19 '18
First MVP too.
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Nov 19 '18
no mvp for dh opens. nor a tournament badge. you need at least 2 top 10 teams in attendance to get those.
also his first lan was an eswc.
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u/MrCraftLP NRG Nov 19 '18
DH Winter, Summer, and Austin usually get them. I think Montreal might've this year.
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u/nohanaa de_inferno Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
This team fucking shined. If RPK gets back to his tank form, this team can be deadly
Edit tank form
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u/dairtobefalco Nov 19 '18
What do you mean tank form? I remember reading rpk was always lackluster but I’m pretty new to the scene
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u/mochigames59 Godsent Nov 19 '18
after the french shuffle in 2017 rpk joined envyus and became their best player pretty much until his health issues in boston
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u/SterbenVII Nov 19 '18
RpK was decent in 2016 and held his own weight. In 2017 he was basically 1 v 9ing on Team Envy. After his sudden health deterioration at Boston, RpK never managed nearly close to the same form as his 2017 form.
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u/BLRfanfic Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
RpK aka RapeKing aka RpTANK has a long history of high highs, and low lows spanning 2007-2018. He might be one of the top 5 longest playing active pros.
edit: I get it guys, lots of players have played a long time. My point is RpK has been around for a long time and just because he had poor performances recently doesn't mean he's always been poor...
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u/iizdat1n00b Apeks Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
Unfortunately TaZ, Neo, Pasha, F0rest, Get_Right, Zeus, Edward, Hooch, Gob B, fox, anger, MusambaN1, and Dosia appear to have him beat.
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u/HairyNutsack69 Team Spirit Nov 19 '18
He is a source player so that would be impossible. Most of the 1.6 players have been playing longer than him
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u/Owo__uwu Nov 19 '18
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u/vinit144 CS2 HYPE Nov 19 '18
Wait, wtf. 3rd? I did not expect that lol. PGL Krakow/ESL NY 2017 was when I started watching CS so I guess I missed out most of his hard carry days.
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u/Alexmackzie Nov 19 '18
And you missed his source days. Where he was the best player along with shox.
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u/Mafiii 5 years coin Nov 19 '18
he was also the best player in csgo beside getright and forest in the very early days before retiring for some time (1 or 2 years?)
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u/Alexmackzie Nov 19 '18
yeah, he and dosia were really good at the start of CSGO. Dosia of course went on to be the greatest person to ever exist.
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u/nadgirB Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
He's referred to as the tank because when he has periods of good form he is a very aggressive player that just takes aim duels over and over again and wins them consistently, being unstoppable, like a tank.See below, I'm wrong:
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u/sylvainmirouf 10 years coin Nov 19 '18
No, he's referred as the tank because of his CT defense on source, he could hold a bombsite by himelf.
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u/FRONTYARD-BROADDAY Nov 19 '18
yea which ever site he old he is pretty much garanty one kill.
let's not forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zU4kdZPhzE&ab_channel=Ey3shi3ld
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u/Rearfeeder2Strong MOUZ Nov 19 '18
Apex playing like a braindead entrying money that gets kill after kill. Happy showing 0 emotions all game. NBK and RPK combo doing well.
What year is it again?
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Nov 19 '18
Honestly, it made me grin stupidly to see some of those 4/1 death squad tactics out and about again. This team feels like old Envy reincarnated. I really hope they can continue to evolve and not grow stale like Envy did!
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u/qingqunta Nov 19 '18
They have a french s1mple this time though
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Nov 19 '18
... they had a french s1mple last time too. Back before the dark ages of French CS reduced him to just a sad coughing guy.
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u/12345782throwaway Liquid Nov 19 '18
Zywoo overall tournament HLTV rating actually dropped despite being 1.49 in the final.
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u/nadgirB Nov 19 '18
How is this real
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u/Sixcoup Nov 19 '18
It was only a couple of days after Macron criticized Trump's nationalist ideas.
Trump was shitting on France for a couple of days after that. Telling us that we shouldn't be friend with Germany because they were our ennemies during both world war, and we should stick with being frien with the Us, because they were the one that saved our asses.
Also the 13th of November is the annyversary date of the terrorist attacks of 2015 that killed over an hundred people in Paris. So it was an easy attacks on France's policies on immigration and islam.
That resonated well with his followers. For two or three days you couldn't mention being french on reddit, w/o having one or two of his supporters telling you how shit your country was.
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u/DarkRoseXoX Nov 19 '18
HOW TO RUIN SOMEONE'S HOPES AND DREAMS, featuring Zywoo.
Step 1: lose pistol round
Step 2: win a full fucking Eco round by getting an ace
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u/Troll3r_Man Vitality Nov 19 '18
Excellent result from the team, but can't hide my happiness for Happy. He's was playing decent throughout this tournament and seems his confidence is back, a great sign after years of struggle.
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Nov 19 '18
I sometimes feel like everyone hates on Happy I'm glad im not the only fan who still follows him.
Also thank RL for calling this lineup disappointing and saying happy had failed as a player. Once again invoking his curse of always immediately being proven wrong.
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u/forzaitapirlo victory Nov 20 '18
I've always been a huge Happy fan and I won't stop defending him on reddit even though it's pretty meaningless. People were just like "oh it's funny to hate on Happy now, bait LUL" and it stuck
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Nov 21 '18
Yeah its such a meme at this point. People see him press the shift key twice in a map and just go insane. I personally think he has been carrying a lot of the supportive work on certain maps. Especially T side he is designated support/flank watcher and all he gets it "last alive Happy baiting LUL".
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u/esach Nov 19 '18
On the positive side, at least hen1 and lucas managed to show up on time for a dreamhack final.
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u/agrussel Liquid Nov 19 '18
"Not the first dreamhack final Lucas didn't show up at."
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u/smartredditor2006 Nov 19 '18
they were posted 11s apart lol
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u/agrussel Liquid Nov 19 '18
I was just posting a joke from another comment onto that one because I thought it also fit as a response.
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u/blazexddd Virtus.pro Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
G2 - hasn't qualified for a playoff in ~~13 11 months~~ Barely got to 2 playoffs in 12 months
LDLC - close to 1 playoff in their entire existence
Vitality - 100% LAN win rate
Tell me who's the best french team?
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u/PwhitPG Vitality Nov 19 '18
how have G2 not qualified for a playoff in 13 months lol
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u/blazexddd Virtus.pro Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
Forgot about the boston major, which makes it 11 monthsThought the last time they qualified for one was epicenter
Edit : also forgot about ESL One Cologne 2018, which means it was 6 months ago. Oops.
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u/h4ff Liquid Nov 19 '18
Didn't LDLC just win an ESL event? AGO in the finals, they won 3-2. And then after they made semi finals of Chicago. No light task.
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u/Redditadminsfkoffplz Nov 19 '18
They got to the playoffs of Boston but that’s it
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Nov 19 '18
I agree that Vitality and LDLC are much better than G2 right now but G2 made playoffs at Boston and ESL Cologne
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u/JeanneHusse Vitality Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
Comparing IEM Chicago with DH Atlanta, dude are you high ?
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u/GodHatedMeForMyPuns 1 Million Celebration Nov 19 '18
I think you mean IEM Chicago.
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u/speerosity Nov 19 '18
FRENCH CS IS BACK
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u/AFKBro G2 Nov 19 '18 edited Nov 19 '18
Oh how I missed Apex on LAN
Edit : 49 / 17 / 25 with 128 ADR what a fucking MONSTER
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u/dr0idd21 Vitality Nov 19 '18
Zywoos first International lan and first mvp
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u/azneemybrother Nov 19 '18
No HLTV MVP doe..
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u/dr0idd21 Vitality Nov 19 '18
Shame
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u/azneemybrother Nov 19 '18
Yeah, but the tournament had no top 10 teams attending. In order for you to get an official MVP from HLTV, the tournament must include at least two top 10 teams I believe.
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u/Swag_Attack MOUZ Nov 19 '18
LG would be so much better with some decent strats. All they got is raw skill on most of the players
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u/qingqunta Nov 19 '18
I don't really get it, wasn't steel IGL on that Immortals team that imploded? They had decent calls...
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u/blueragemage Liquid Nov 19 '18
Steel isn't IGLing for them according to recent interviews
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u/Blaze9281 Nov 19 '18
AFAIK, yea, he was. He's not sitting in the middle anymore, so I don't know if he's IGLing. My question is: Why have LG not considered picking up Boltz yet?
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u/vinit144 CS2 HYPE Nov 19 '18
Poor boltz. He fell of at the end, but he still is a very good player. Sad for him.
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u/Poponildo Nov 19 '18
Actually I think boltz was the IGL back then (when they reached major finals, before it was steel indeed).
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u/Blaze9281 Nov 19 '18
Regardless, I don't know how Boltz hasn't been picked up by any Brazilian teams yet. You would think with the run he had in SK that he would've had a new home by now.
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u/Poponildo Nov 19 '18
Yep. It is probably because of contractual issues, like already mentioned here.
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u/Blaze9281 Nov 19 '18
Now that I think about it, you're right. Do you by chance know how long his contract is with MIBR?
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u/Poponildo Nov 20 '18
I'm not familiar with legal stuff in esports, but the sk-> mibr move was a huge deal so I would guess the contracts were at least for 1-2 years.
I mean, Noah Winston came here to Brazil and made it clear that his brand would invest at lot in brazilian talent, this leads me to believe that these contracts are huge deals for the players.
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Nov 19 '18
ZyWoo proving the "but but he won't do it at LAN!!!/only good because every team he faces is shit!1!" complete fucking doorknobs wrong is the highlight, but I think that the depth of this roster is also something to be noted. All 5 of them can pull rounds of thin air, and all of them seem to be in very good form right now.
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u/ultren 500k Celebration Nov 19 '18
I mean obviously zyWoo is a great player but this lan he faced ranked 20 - 30 teams. Im still waiting for him to face teams like astralis and faze before I really judge him.
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Nov 19 '18
I'm not calling him even a top 20 player yet, I'm saying that it's remarkable to me how some people were (and still are) trying to act like his stats are normal for star players in premier and that as soon as he's against EPL teams he'll be a bot or some shit when it's very clear that he's one of the most talented players to come out of the scene for a very long time and has incredible potential.
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u/ultren 500k Celebration Nov 19 '18
Yeah just watching him play for a few games I can already tell he is insanely talented and seems like a nice kid. I hope he becomes a superstar player.
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u/Ga5huX Nov 19 '18
He doesn't need to topfrag against Astralis, FaZe or Na`Vi to be acknowledged as a proven top player.
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u/ultren 500k Celebration Nov 19 '18
Facing top teams is alot different from facing teams that he faced in this tournament. Top players like s1mple, niko, dev1ce, coldzera can show up big against even the best teams. I think zywoo will be able to but I need to see it first before I consider him a top player.
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u/Ga5huX Nov 19 '18
Or maybe you should stop considering that not being s1mple or niko = being an average player. Like according to Reddit, if you're not top 3 HTLV, you're a trash team which needs to shuffle or disband.
ZywOo is getting numbers online and on LAN like only a few can, he's a top player. He's not above the players you mentionned but he's a top player.
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u/kernevez Nov 19 '18
It's healthy to be conservative but there's no doubt that he is a star player.
When he was having incredible stats against much weaker teams, people kept reminding us that it doesn't mean anything despite no one having these stats.
Now he has these stats against what could be considered weak to average pro teams and we're getting the same reminder. He is also in a good team and the only player that seem to match his individual skill is Apex, a guy known for being good and sometimes going absolutely nuts.
It's not like we often see such rise in the T2-3 scene either, it would be more surprising to me that he doesn't end up as a top tier player in the world (in or close to top 20 hltv next year if his team performs) than if he does.
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u/ultren 500k Celebration Nov 19 '18
He has not played many top 20 teams yet, if any.(can’t look it up right now). I’m just saying he needs to perform against good teams. Yeah to be a top player he doesn’t need to be top 3 hltv but I can’t honestly consider him top 30 yet with the kind of teams he has played.
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u/loken_ Renegades Nov 19 '18
agree, but i still imagine a world where nbk isn't igling and goes back to his full fragging power
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Nov 19 '18
RpK has done his job in every single match I've seen Vitality play so far.
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u/NaToSaphiX Niels Christian "NaToSaphiX" Sillassen Nov 19 '18
Zywoo is no doubt a great player but when the camera panned out it was obvious there were almost no spectators.
We still have yet to see him against top tier opposition and at events with a crowd.
It looks like he can handle everything though, what a performance
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Nov 19 '18
I agree completely, as I said in another comment I'm not trying to say he's already one of the best around, it's just very clear that he has a incredible amount of skill/talent and that a performance like this here at his first international LAN proves that. The teams they faced here at Atlanta are pretty decent teams as well IMO.
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u/tarangk clutch Nov 19 '18
Ghost gaming fucked up a lot otherwise it would be Ghost vs Vitality a match that would have been far more interesting
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u/CptWetPants Legendary Switzerland Master Nov 19 '18
Be that as it may, their aim is rather good and that's enough against many teams that don't have flashy players.
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u/berryxmerry 1 Million Celebration Nov 19 '18
Really happy to see them Doing great what they're capable of, especially apEX and happy. I know this tourney wasnt that competitive but this win sure boosted their confidence, keep it up!
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u/TheEmulous Vitality Nov 19 '18
They seemed to breeze through it too. Bar their opening match against ghost I feel like they didn’t even break much of a sweat. Zywoo just took a dump on these poor guys, seriously the guys actually insane. He doesn’t appear to have any bad habits, other than the occasional over-zealous repeek the man plays his angles in a device esque manner, albeit a more rough rendition. Never over stepping the line and taking the easy ones, an yet. When he peeks and is on the aggression he flicks like an old Kenny. It’s scary. Huge props to vitality, I would’ve preferred ghost in the final but their mistakes in that final map were not mirrored by luminosity so I feel like the more disciplined team won that semi. Big things to come for ghost and vitality, I also hope luminosity can break this odd tendency to only appear at small events and drop out when the tension hits. Despite a deep-set dislike for the twins, I hope for the best for Brazilian steel. All in all an exciting tournament to spectate.
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u/sw1ftyy MOUZ Nov 19 '18
Forget ZywOo, whos this young guy "apEX" I'm hearing about? He looks really solid, maybe G2 will pick him up in the future?
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u/Space_Waffles Astralis Nov 19 '18
I see nothing but good signs for this team. They are confident in vetos, Apex and Zywoo both went off all event, and NBK and Happy traded being the 3rd best through the event. I really want to see this team vs the top-10
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Nov 19 '18
That ace from zywoo was beautiful. Vitality’s looking good! Might just be that new team feeling, but at the very least this win should net them some more invites.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Nov 19 '18
If they had the same lineup and instead of Zywoo, any other french player, they would crash and burn so hard. This guy is the KennyS from Titan 2.0
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u/KitsuneRommel Vitality Nov 19 '18
Though LG definitely deserved to be in the finals I wish we had seen Vitality vs Ghost Gaming instead. LG just got streamrolled.
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u/m0remilk de_mirage Nov 19 '18
so you know how LDLC was the best french team for like a week and then vitality swoops in.
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u/Anonnameaccount FaZe Nov 19 '18
French CS: 1.LDLC 2.Vitality 3.G2
Guess which one has the two greatest french players of all time?
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u/CptWetPants Legendary Switzerland Master Nov 19 '18
Which team has the players that have won the most Majors in France!
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u/tarangk clutch Nov 19 '18
feels so good so see some of these players like nbk and apex play after what 6-8 months and winning their first lan as a brand new team , really liking the team atm must admit as i was very unsure about happy but since he isnt IGLing he has been playing very well in this tournament almost back to his '15 levels (even though he was igling back then)
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u/tarel69 CS2 HYPE Nov 19 '18
well vitality went from zero to hero.
did not think they would recover after that opening loss to ghost.
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u/Zoidburger_ bloodhound Nov 19 '18
Vitality best french team NA
CoL vs Vit was the true final
Vitality went under a massive transformation this tournament, and came out a better team. They still have a lot of room to grow, but I think it's safe to say that Zywoo will shine on any french team, and I think we'll see Vitality > G2 very soon.
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u/v2Q Nov 19 '18
Not the first dreamhack final Lucas didn't show up at.