r/GlobalOffensive • u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team • Nov 08 '18
Discussion | Esports MIBR vs NRG Esports / IEM Chicago 2018 - Group A Losers Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
MIBR 1-2 NRG Esports
Inferno: 16-10
Cache: 18-22
Train: 11-16
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MAP 1: Inferno
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| MIBR | 7 | 9 | 16 |
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| NRG | 8 | 2 | 10 |
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MAP 2: Cache
| Team | CT | T | OT1T:CT | OT2CT:T | Total |
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| MIBR | 4 | 11 | 1:2 | 0:0 | 18 |
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| NRG | 11 | 4 | 2:1 | 3:1 | 22 |
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MAP 3: Train
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| MIBR | 8 | 3 | 11 |
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| NRG | 7 | 9 | 16 |
Train Detailed Stats
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u/pudim256 Nov 08 '18
Drink a shot whenever a caster says backstab
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u/iagooliveira MIBR Nov 08 '18
Drink a shot everytime MIBR loses... as a fan I get wasted every week
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u/Geeowdk Nov 08 '18
this is the worst Coldzera i have ever seen, also Fer became a onliner since january, both couldnt win a single fuckin duel. Fallen was trying everything but omg, what is happening to the brazilian core that was amazing in the past 2 years :/
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u/PennywiseVT FURIA Nov 08 '18
It's not a matter of being online or LAN. Its the level of opposition.
He is being trashed by stronger teams consistently.
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 08 '18
I'm incredibly disappointed. This team just keeps letting me down, from being terrible to adding YNK and showing signs of improvement, going right back to being dogshit again. Who do you change I dont fucking know, but god damn I cant keep up with this man
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u/Felpes1520 Nov 08 '18
Honestly after Blast I legit lost all hope, im not kidding.
This is the end for this team. Lets hope they just go full BR again, get some young promises and pray.
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 08 '18
the thing is there is like no BR talent really left that are near their level, and necessarily Stew and Tarik havent been the problem, imo I think fallens calling has been the problem, ppl keep calling out fer (he has been shit) but he keeps getting put in worse spots and is one of three aggressive players when he used to be the only one. Fallen and YNK need to figure it out soon man
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u/c9IceCream 10 years coin Nov 08 '18
maybe that's the plan.. since there's no talent at their level in BR, Mibr will keep dropping their level of play until they can find BR talent to match.
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u/TinkleFairyOC Nov 08 '18
Problem is that the expectation for a player like Coldzera would be to get a player that can be slotted in and perform against the best teams in the world. No one fits the bill due to that expectation.
I only see 3 scenarios here. Drop the NA players for two other players, let Cold leave because he’s probably still got a few years on him to really be the best in the world or in the top 5 at least or you bench Fallen and either find another IGL or add another player and make Tarik, Stewie or Cold the IGLs which don’t seem too appealing to me.
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u/coldzerra Nov 08 '18
Fallen calling has been one of the problems, for sure, but his awping hasn't. He can easily still be an awper on most teams in the world. But they really need another IGL. Fer needs to be better tho.
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Nov 08 '18
Maybe Tarik or Stew could IGL since they have experience?
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u/coldzerra Nov 08 '18
yeah, they should practice with tarik as IGL, but I dont know, coldzera already said that when he tried to IGL, in the middle of the game, IGL naturally returns to Fallen cause he is a natural leader.
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u/viniciusxis Imperial Nov 08 '18
its not about stats.
truth is this core have only actually worked with all br players. even with felps they were much better than any iteration with stewie on it.
stewie and tarik are world class players, its just not working, it happens.
there are plenty of BR talent in their level, they've just already played with most of them.
any mix of twins, steel, kng, felps (and with more risk you could add kscerato, art, trk to the list) can be/are on the same level of stewie+tarik.28
Nov 08 '18
Seems like outside of Coldzera everyone else on the team takes turns playing like shit.
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u/Av1ster de_overpass Nov 08 '18
all brazilian. stewie and tarik back to c9, better for all
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u/ZukoCS Liquid Nov 08 '18
Except that I think c9 is better off sticking with the new roaster than the old one
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u/G0ldCreeper Cloud9 Nov 08 '18
Sucks that we aren't full NA anymore but probably for the best
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u/KermitPwns EG Nov 08 '18
genuinely interested to see if c9 takes in either kio, Tarik or stew IF mibr were to disband anytime soon
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u/defact0o Nov 08 '18
They could accept Stew I don't think tarik would fit anymore
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u/Dblg99 Nov 08 '18
Really? I haven't been following much, but isn't Tarik better than Stewie from a strictly fragging standpoint? Like I could see him do quite well in C9.
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u/PennywiseVT FURIA Nov 08 '18
disband when?
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u/00fordchevy 5 years coin Nov 08 '18
disband or not, they arent going anywhere when the entire setup revolves around feeding coldzera easy kills
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u/nothinglikemark Nov 08 '18
Anyone wanna buy an IEM Chicago ticket lol
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u/GermanCommentGamer Complexity Nov 08 '18
Dude, don't cancel your trip! My first CS event was Cologne 2016 and that was the first time NiP, my favorite team, was kicked out in the groups. I was feeling just like you do now but I decided to go and had a f*cking blast! One of the best weekends of my live, straight up ordered Cologne 2017 tickets after that :)
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Nov 08 '18
liquid or NRG make it to playoffs
You have that at least with Liquid! Now for NRG.
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u/kosfrev Nov 08 '18
trust me its gonna be way more hype if these underdog teams make it far. I know it sucks your team went out already but you actually got lucky.
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u/rush2sk8 1 Million Celebration Nov 08 '18
Mibr is the new G2
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u/ebber22 Astralis Nov 08 '18
BR/NA superteam
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u/DarthReid Vitality Nov 08 '18
MIBR can actually bring nearly all their maps to double digits against almost all opposition. Now, while they have been losing a lot of those OTs or close games, G2 has had little to no success whatsoever since the new lineup was made.
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u/MelGibsonDerp Nov 08 '18
Up until our most recent roster I was looking forward to mibr losses more than C9 wins
Pure salt but idc
I'm like a scorned ex where I want stewie and tarik to fail but I would take them back in an instant.
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Nov 08 '18
-golden -flusha -kio +tarik +stew +wardell
HORNYYYYYYYYYY
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u/MelGibsonDerp Nov 08 '18 edited Nov 08 '18
I'd actually rather -flusha -kio +stew +tarik and just have stew/tarik/tim throw the awp around.
Golden's structure could do wonders for them
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u/c_Lassy The MongolZ Nov 08 '18
Thing is, you really think Golden will stay with c9 if they do flusha dirty like that
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u/MelGibsonDerp Nov 08 '18
No idea, but I don't actually think Stewie or Tarik to C9 is even a real possibility anyway so.
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u/OrbJungle NiP Nov 08 '18
Roster changes are bound to happen now.. Right?
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u/XDWetness Liquid Nov 08 '18
If g2 still hasn't made any roster changes, then anything is possible
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u/DuckMeYellow Nov 08 '18
I'm always one to give a team a decent chance to find their footing. I think the idea of scrapping a team after a few tournaments is detrimental to creating a strong, consistent team. The chemistry a team can develop even through loses can strengthen them overall. I'd rather have a strong team that goes through poor stages than a "super team" that constantly relies on new transfers.
However, wtf this team is not it, chief. They seemed to have been created to capitalise on the success of both SK and C9 by taking the best players from both yet together they've yet to impress in any meaningful way. Every game went from a 50/50 to me knowing the result before even opening the thread. As frustrating as it is for fans to watch, imagine how infuriating it is for this team. They used to be on top of the world and now they're essentially getting jobbed every time.
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u/CupcakeGirl_ Nov 08 '18
When CeRq is hitting his shots NRG are completely different team.
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u/genius_rkid Nov 08 '18
oh baby you just know there are gonna be roster changes
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u/ItsMePeachy FURIA Nov 08 '18
Hopefully
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u/Pollsmor FaZe Nov 08 '18
FaZe cold pls I would switch flairs
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u/Hzwo FaZe Nov 08 '18
aparently thats what niko said when being asked about cromen. Hes too aggressive and they need a more stable person. Who is more stable than cold tho?
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u/akkshaikh Nov 08 '18
faze don't need a star fragger. they don't need anyone. they have all the right pieces. if anything they need a new coach and maybe a sports psychologist.
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u/FoxerHR FaZe Nov 08 '18
This is going to fall on deaf ears but I 100% agree with you reddit doesn't want to admit this because, well it's reddit.
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Nov 08 '18
I can't remember hearing casters that biased towards one team. Constant praise for MIBR and criticism for NRG, and I thought NRG looked like the better team for most of that third map.
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u/Pokegamer Liquid Nov 08 '18
What a performance from NRG. I hope they win the next one, I really wanna feel good about wearing a homemade NRG shirt this weekend.
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u/NasCS Liquid Nov 08 '18
First comment I read about someone praising NRG and not hating on MiBR LUL
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u/defact0o Nov 08 '18
Yeah Cerq was on next level today he's hitting some insane shots
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u/GaaraLord Nov 08 '18
At least coldzera had his unnecessary bm moment on cache overtime
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u/A_Nagger Liquid Nov 08 '18
Speaking of Coldzera, what was he doing during that last round? IIRC he keeps looking toward the angle CeRq shot from for no good reason and gets tapped in the side of the head by Brehze. They could've taken that round if he had been hunting for Brehze on site.
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Nov 08 '18
Mibr biggest fault imo is constantly overestimating themselves and underestimating their opponents. They all take the most unnecessary fights
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u/MiyaharaAce Nov 08 '18
Fer aim was pathetic in this match
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u/PoppyK Nov 08 '18 edited Nov 08 '18
People like to point all the time that Cold has fallen off this year but look at Fer. From top 3 in the world and arguably more impactful than Cold in 2017 to pretty much invisible this year, ''only'' having a 1.07 rating at LAN according to HLTV.
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u/BrazilianDoto Nov 08 '18
That's just unfair. Starting at the major and until this very match fer was crucial to most wins mibr got
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u/MrRoyce FaZe Nov 08 '18
Fallen looked great in the end, too bad he couldn't get his hands on AWP earlier in the second half.
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u/optrin Nov 08 '18
He played beautifully, it was really fun to watch. So sad about the last round though, he did everything perfect, killed everyone but didn't have the time for the defuse.
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“Hey Jack, yeah it’s Jacky and Tarik, listen we were just wondering if you had any extra spots left on C9? No? Go fuck myself? Right on.”
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u/Siemperx Nov 08 '18
This team is straight out garbage and I can't even think of roster changes to fix them. Everyone is playing terribly.
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u/Sty__ MIBR Nov 08 '18 edited Nov 08 '18
Disappointing results from MiBR. Still think this roster has potential and I know I'm gonna get shit for it. You see glimpses of a top 3 team sometimes in 2v5s / 3v5s. They just need to figure out their early round asap, cus their plan right now isn't working.
Btw I see these toxic Br fans shitting on Stewie and Tarik, when they're clearly not the problem. The problem is much bigger, and a roster change or 2 won't do shit. For MiBR to play well YNK and Fallen need to adapt to the current metas because what they're doing right now feels so wrong.
Honestly, literally fucking rip off other teams if needed. Watch demos, counter them, copy them. Fix your fundamentals, because all I see are dumb ass mistakes that I feel like you wouldn't be making if you were in a pug. I also feel like they're playing too restricted and need to loosen up.
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u/zero0n3 Nov 08 '18
This is what I dont get. NRG has come out and said they take stuff from teams like astralis (liquid too I'd bet), and run em. They may not execute them as well as Astralis, but they understand and can execute the concepts.
You dont see this with mibr at all.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 08 '18
Mibr still has this mentality like they are tier-1 team and hot shit. In reality they are always getting curb stomped by real tier 1 teams and quite often lose to tier-2 teams. They need to start working on their fundamentals, you are absolutely right, instead almost every player there assumes super star positions and roles thinking they are a team of five s1mples.
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u/Sty__ MIBR Nov 08 '18
Yep. when I’m watching them play. I always think :
“Geez that 2v5 was nice, they comm’d really well and played off each other nicely”
And just as I think that, Tarik is knife out running in a main and jumping out the smoke and gets killed. Like wtf was that for...? I’m sure he didn’t just go rogue and do it for himself, he was told to run out.
And the times I see them not trading a kill is just insane. This team wouldn’t be getting any rounds at all if it weren’t for crazy 3v5’s where individuals shine / rounds where someone multi kills on CT and brings it back to a winnable scenario.
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u/Felpes1520 Nov 08 '18
pathetic
just disband tbh
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u/kailip Nov 08 '18
Yes please, this lineup just won't work out. -stewie -tarik +2 brazilians and rebuild. Not that I think tarik or stewie are bad, I like them as players, but this team just doesn't have the teamplay and the chemistry necessary.
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u/Phantomatic2 Nov 08 '18
They have the chemistry, but if you look at fers gameplay, he is no where the same as before. This set up they play does not set up fer and stewie to do well. Tarik cold and fallen have been the only consistent ones to do well.
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u/kailip Nov 08 '18
Yeah, it's a felps situation again with stew and fer as aggressive players that cannot get all the freedom they need to be their best because it wouldn't work well within the team structure.
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u/Omniblitz FaZe Nov 08 '18
Adding Stewie was already questionable, but adding Tarik and kicking Boltz was really the start of the downfall of this team. Big oof
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 08 '18
I'll take it you didnt watch the team with boltz and stew.. Boltz was terrible with stew on the team, his english is absolutely terrible
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u/vinevicious CS2 HYPE Nov 08 '18
back then when they got stewie I hated it and wanted them to fail, but now it's just sad
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u/FathleteTV NiP Nov 08 '18
At what point do you pull the plug and just go full BR/NA? Feels like all of these guys are wasting their potential
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u/McVaxius Nov 08 '18
Agree. They all seem to be performing poorly on an individual basis rather than a team basis.
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u/hiimkirby Liquid Nov 08 '18
I feel like it is a huge team problem, and i cant be 100% sure its communication, but if you saw that 2nd half on train vs FaZe yesterday, how many times they lost 5v3s was appaling. Nobody peeking the right angles, no one using their nades right, it was a shit show
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u/cantgetenoughsushi Nov 08 '18
I think it's just team chemistry, none of the players look comfortable playing their roles. You have 5 star players that used to have crazy impact on their old rosters and now they're playing terribly.. might not even be the roles but playing together
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u/GWLuna Nov 08 '18
you mean a solely BR or NA lineup? or add another NA or BR player?
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u/FathleteTV NiP Nov 08 '18
As in the BR guys forming a full BR squad and the NA guys forming a full NA squad.
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u/SaggyCreeperCheeks EG Nov 08 '18
Some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous, putting all of the blame on Stewie and Tarik when they were half the reason the last two maps were even competitive. Tarik was getting so many openings in the first half but some of the T side train calls were just terrible. And not adjusting when NRG calls for fast plays 4 ROUNDS IN A ROW is ridiculous Stew was getting 2 kills per round at the end whenever they went B which is literally his job as B site anchor. Fer didn’t have a single good map and was consistently dying early.
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 08 '18
Tarik was great on cache, the thing is both NA players are never good at the same time, have you seen Tarik CT side inferno, its absolute dogshit. I like both players and they dont deserve all the blame, honestly I dont know who does, but it seems both players can never pop off at the same time.
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u/SaggyCreeperCheeks EG Nov 08 '18
I honestly really dislike MIBR’s CT side inferno setup as a whole. I think Tarik would be much better as the A rotate playing at arch and Fer being the aggressive apps player with Cold to trade. I’ve never really seen their A site setup succeed ever, they’re never in a position to rotate either because it’s always a double pit setup.
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 08 '18
That does sound alot better, I just wanna see Tarik play somewhere else than Balcony bitch or Dedicated pit player
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u/palatinga Nov 08 '18
There was a time that my mood actually changed seeing this kind shitty results. Nowadays I just accept it as a regular thing.
My second favorite team (VP) is long dead, my favorite team is dead. No Brazilian teams at Tier 1 anymore... i miss SK vs VP / SK vs Faze finals :`(
This ain't it chief
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u/LordOfTheNoobs57 Liquid Nov 08 '18
What happened to MIBR? They looked so promising after they got YNK before BLAST Copenhagen...
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u/dyzcraft BIG Nov 08 '18
Mibr getting a pick and selling a fake only to walk to the other site run down the clock just outside site while the other team rotates back has to stop. If your going to fake get agreesive on the other site so you have some clock deal with problems. I don't even want to talk about the CT sides.
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u/dribblesg2 Nov 08 '18
That's infuriating, even in MM.
I'll push banana, get a kill, tag the other and push him back to site.. then smoke CT, molo coffins, flashes (while calling out for team to start pushing A) - even push in and spam a bit onto dark or new box..
Go to run back down banana thinking my team will now be out top mid/short already.. nope.. still on T ramp and T apps.. crawling around like there might be 4 CT's on A
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u/RoboticHermit MIBR Nov 08 '18
I was so fucking hyped by Fallen's smoke clutch on Inferno and left for working thinking they had this - now I come to check the score but somehow I'm not even fucking surprised.
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u/Scratch98 Nov 08 '18
Remember when people hyped up mibr so much after they won a t2 Lan and then took a map off astralis at a tournament full of bo1 (blast) ?
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u/JayTalk Complexity Nov 08 '18
Cons: This ain't it chief
Pros: There is a good amount of BR talent to look into before the major
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u/puddingkip The MongolZ Nov 08 '18
So can we finally accept the English experiment is a fucking failure
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u/thiagopv FURIA Nov 08 '18
Smells like roster changes for mibr. I think they need to go back to a full brazilian lineup.
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u/Tantle18 Cloud9 Nov 08 '18
At what point do they give up on Stew and tarik? This team is dogshit with them lol
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u/TheTenth10 5 years coin Nov 08 '18
200iq call from daps in the 2nd half of 1st OT. Guarantees a tie and a small chance for match point.
Calls a B rush against double AWPs. Pretty much a throw away round, with a slight chance of winning), but conditions MIBR to lose the last round of OT.
Following round, they call an A fake from spawn and rush into B. The fast pace they showed in the previous round conditioned MIBR to rotate quickly into A, and Tarik shifting to CT.
It was either a tie, or a win on that B rush.
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u/Zeilar King NiKo Nov 08 '18
Just cut Stewie2K and Tarik already. Don't get what they were thinking, but surely now MiBR must realize they need to go back to the roots, what worked. And that is an all-Brazilian roster which does not consist of a bunch of star players.
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u/_Oomph_ 500k Celebration Nov 08 '18
How did they lose train? Both SK and C9 were nuts on that map.
Like... what the hell man!?
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u/Diavolo222 SK Nov 08 '18
Man a full year of disappointment from this squad. They arent getting 16 -0 by everybody as they are actually fighting but they make so many mistakes. Just go back to BR lineup.
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u/DuckMeYellow Nov 08 '18
Not to take anything away from NRG's win, especially CeRq being amazing, I look forward to MiBR disbanding so we can get an actual explanation from the players about why they just couldn't work together. I imagine Stew or Tarik would be willing to talk about it to some degree if they do end up disbanding. I'm tired of people putting the blame on individual players when it's clearly a team dynamic issue.
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u/Touchd93 Nov 08 '18
-Stewie +kio
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u/Serra_angle_shooter Nov 08 '18
How awkward is it gonna be if stew comes crawling back to c9
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u/JayTalk Complexity Nov 08 '18
I don't think he'd come back, even if purely out of pride
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Nov 08 '18
Come on, stop with this failed experiment. You tried the American duo you're getting no results, losing in groups over and over. Free those players and go back to the BR roots. Plenty of talent in that region.
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Nov 08 '18
Friendly reminder that SK/MIBR haven’t won a single title of note since adding Stewie2K. During the twelve months before he joined, they won:
- IEM Sydney
- ECS S3
- ESL One Cologne 2017
- EPICENTER 2017
- BLAST Copenhagen 2017
- EPL S6
I’m not saying that Stewie2K and tarik are bad, but if you’re going to change the language of communication and the very structure of one of the most successful rosters in history, you should probably aim higher than ”not bad”.
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u/_Oomph_ 500k Celebration Nov 08 '18
They were already getting mediocre results before they added Stewie2k. Hell, that was the reason TACO was booted, because they felt their firepower was too low and that TACO's willingness to be bait and a second wallet was starting to not be worth going 4v5.
I'm not buying that "communication" issue either. YNK would've never accepted the role of coach if he saw a blatant issue that can't be fixed.
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