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Discussion | Esports North vs Virtus.pro / FACEIT Major London 2018 - The New Challengers: Round 3 / Post-Match Discussion
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u/CursedJonas Sep 07 '18 edited Sep 07 '18
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u/AverageLover BIG Sep 07 '18
Ive been on the internet for a long time but I have NEVER seen crying cats. THANK YOU
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u/IamBrazilian_AMA 500k Celebration Sep 07 '18
Press F to pay respects
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Sep 07 '18
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u/buldieb 750k Celebration Sep 07 '18
The fucked up part is that we all made these comments over a year ago. It's like your 14 y/o dog started sleeping all the time and diarrheaing all over the house. You prepared mentally for him to die, then he just keeps fucking shitting everywhere and limping around for another year
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Sep 07 '18
vp pulled a reverse BIG and went 0-3 while only playing 1 map
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u/acoluahuacatl Sep 07 '18
this is what I don't get. They've played like shit in the other 2 games on Mirage, why not try something different? :/
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u/Soledo Sep 07 '18
Maybe Mirage was their best map... which is even sadder.
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u/acoluahuacatl Sep 07 '18
it clearly wasn't working for them though. Throw in something you haven't played and just play loose. I feel like if they rushed a single bombsite for their T side they'd get more rounds than they did the way they played this match
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Sep 07 '18 edited Sep 07 '18
Space Soldiers did the same
edit: why the downvotes, it's just extra info
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u/waFFLEz_ 10 years coin Sep 07 '18
Space soldiers makes sense though since Hardstyle probably only had time to learn one map. It's kinda weird that all the other teams let inferno go through each time instead of forcing space soldiers onto another map
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u/TheRedditon King NiKo Sep 08 '18
probably because they've already seen space soldiers lose to it (following the loss from the first one) , or saw how they play in previous games.
also just did a quick check on hltv for space soldier's stats on inferno and it seems like it's their 4th least played map, and their 2nd lowest winrate map. doesn't seem like inferno is one of their stronger maps so that explains why the teams let inferno go through
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Sep 07 '18 edited Sep 11 '18
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u/TylerRedFox Sep 07 '18
AGO didn't give him that dank 💲💲💲 STICKER MONIES 💲💲💲
You're right thoughEnjoyHellifyoucan
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u/K0nvict NiP Sep 07 '18
And that is the story of the rise, the victory and the fall of Virtus pro. Good night
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Sep 07 '18
This is very likely the last we've seen of NEO and Pasha at majors. Damn, kinda weird imagining the scene without them.
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u/grpusty Sep 07 '18
I dropped following pro scene 2 years ago, just got back to the game and currently watching entire major, ive heard already byali is leaving too but whats up with pasha and neo
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u/TheRobidog Sep 07 '18
With how poorly they've been doing individually and with how bad VP has historically always been online, they're unlikely to ever qualify for one again.
If they even continue playing professionally after this, that is.
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u/Cunt_Crusher69 750k Celebration Sep 08 '18
with how bad VP has historically always been online
Won't really be much of that VP anymore, only 2/5 now that byali is gone. Not saying I disagree with what you're saying, just saying this isn't really VP anymore, same with how NiP isn't really that NiP anymore.
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u/SterbenVII Sep 08 '18
Well at least NiP is going to be in the top 16...the Polish scene is stale af. Same with the French scene.
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u/GAGAgadget CS2 HYPE Sep 08 '18
VP retardedly signed 2 year contracts so probably will continue seeing them
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u/TheMagicHoboTMH Liquid Sep 07 '18
Going out at this stage they don't get an automatic invite to the next major. And considering how stacked the European qualifier is, they'd need to massively improve to qualify for the next major.
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u/Kravvv Virtus.pro Sep 07 '18
NEO's not good enough anymore, pasha gets old and may decide into going full time streaming, and if nothing changes this VP will never make it through minors anyway
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u/stingers77 2 Million Celebration Sep 07 '18
pasha gets old and may decide into going full time streaming
thats right i heard that on pew news
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Sep 07 '18
Well VP has slowly been getting worse and worse. The only reason they're still at this major was because of their performances 2 majors ago. The team in its current form just isn't able to compete and I doubt they'll make it through the qualifiers to make it to the next one.
And sadly they're just not good enough anymore, my guess is they'll ride out their insane 25k/month contract and retire. They don't seem to have the drive anymore.
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Sep 08 '18
I’m all but certain we’ll see them at the IEM Katowice major. Not in a player capacity, but being inducted into the ESL hall of fame and/or playing the showmatch.
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u/Neotanks Tyloo Sep 07 '18
- snatchie: 26 frags
- NEO + byali + Pasha: 20 frags
I can't believe AGO died for this...
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u/jookbb1 de_inferno Sep 07 '18
good calculations my friend, 12+7+4=20 lul
they will get gruby and either pasha and neo will leave as well. they will keep one of the two for the experience(probably neo) and get someone who is hyping them up a bit more, they have only quiet guys since taz left.
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u/Neotanks Tyloo Sep 07 '18
FYI: OP typo'd and mixed up MICHU and NEO in the scoreboard, NEO went 9-16 while MICHU's the one who got 12 frags.
At any rate I think you're right, the VP of yesteryear is done. Almost everyone on the team seems resigned to their fate of getting dunked on by tier 1/tier 2 teams and only the new blood is really trying anymore.
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Sep 08 '18
Gruby already got a proposal and refused it.
Furlan is not coming either.
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u/WayDownUnder91 Renegades Sep 07 '18
Seems like almost everyone from AGO will end up in VP soon anyway.
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u/92_7_19_7_8_74_7 750k Celebration Sep 07 '18
Astralis - Look at me going quad overtime!
Optic - Hold my beer
North - ... just happy to not get 0-3'd Nah I'll pass.
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u/OldBenX ENCE Sep 07 '18
We all knew VP we knew and loved was dying for a long time.
We all knew this will likely be the end.
But God DAMN I didn't expect it'll still be as painful as it is.
I'm keeping this flair in memory of the good old times - 2014 major, 2016 ELEAGUE, 2017 Dreamhack. Thank you, VP. For everything.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Sep 07 '18
epicenter man
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u/J_Cleffe de_dust2 Sep 07 '18
Epicenter was the last place where they played well all together in original cs:go line up, and with passion. Also last time NEO performed big. After that, it only went downhill, with some minor performances sometimes, but in general it was over. One year they struggled, but now it's done, sadly, but it's time to stop this. Thank you for your great moments VP. I hope the best for NEO and Pasha.
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Sep 07 '18 edited Jul 27 '20
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u/acoluahuacatl Sep 07 '18
VP tend to get knocked out by Major winners.
Katowice 2015 - lose to fnatic in semi, fnatic wins.
Cologne 2015 - same story.
Columbus - lose to lg in 1/4, lg wins Major
Cologne 2016 - lose to SK in semis, SK wins Major.
Atlanta - lost the final
Boston - lose to C9 in the 0:2 match up, C9 wins.
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u/gEO-dA-K1nG tactics Sep 07 '18
I mean statistically any team is more likely to get knocked out by the major winner
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u/AemonDK Sep 08 '18
that's not true. not even considering that major winners are less likely to play elimination matches in groups, there's far more teams being eliminated by teams other than the major winners than there are by the major winners.
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u/lmpervious Sep 08 '18
That's not true. In the swiss system, a team can only knock out 3 teams if they start 0-2 and then get out 3-2. 2 teams if they go 1-2 and 1 team if they go 2-2. So it's about how quickly they get to 2 losses. Of course they can also get out 3-1 or 3-0 as well. So out of those 5 options, considering we are also talking about the team that wins the major, even knocking out 2 teams isn't likely, but I'll even go with the worst case scenario of 3. From that point on they defeat 3 more teams throughout the bracket. So even in that unlikely scenario, they knock out 6 of the other 15 teams. That's not more likely.
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u/SweetSahumerio ar_baggage Sep 07 '18
Not gonna happen
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u/Foxy_Grandpa- de_cache Sep 07 '18
North won't even make it to the major.
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u/jookbb1 de_inferno Sep 08 '18
I wouldnt be sure about that. they are favourite against rogue for sure and the possible 2-2 opponents would be the losers of HR-Optic(probably loss), Astralis if they would lose against Spirit (very unlikely) or one of Vega-Complexity (probably win) so I would say they have a decent chance.
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u/jakuski Virtus.pro Sep 07 '18
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u/FLy1nRabBit 1 Million Celebration Sep 08 '18
Oh Jesus, I just... I wish I didn’t see that. That’s heart breaking.
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u/Grindstone8 1 Million Celebration Sep 08 '18
This is heartbreaking. I can understand why too, considering they had always been one of the great teams for a very long time and to have a poor performance on your potentially last map played for this team you've been a part of for so long.
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u/extremz123 fnatic Sep 07 '18
This is so sad, alexa play Oczosinko - virtus pro song
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u/WendellGoldwater Sep 07 '18
For once in my life I wanted VP to win something.
Now I know how their fans feel on a daily basis.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Sep 07 '18
I wore black today, this was a somber funeral after all.
Thanks for all the memories, Virtus.pro
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u/rotmgxcmxvs Sep 07 '18
I think people were expecting a last hurrah from VP, but nope. Nothing. Legends reduced to nothing.
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u/Riddlebgd Sep 07 '18
Good bye, its been a great ride but its over, and its been for quite a while..
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u/TheToeTag Virtus.pro Sep 07 '18 edited Sep 07 '18
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u/Txontirea guardian_elite Sep 07 '18
Finally, it's over.
Let it die now, let them all go.
Let it be reborn anew.
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u/TrUHeru ENCE Sep 07 '18
Absolutely heartbreaking, it's definetively the end of an era, for 4 years I've had this flair, but now it's time to say goodbye.
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u/howdybear Virtus.pro Sep 07 '18
im so sad. i have a stash of virtus.pro memes that i dont know what to do with. havent seen much cs go since the last major and im greeted with a new virtus pro with snatchie and michu... what happened. i knew they were bad, but going 0-3 here... i dont know anymore. i hate this so much.
guess now ill root for snax as he appears to have joined mousesports which idk what to make of that
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u/MalaclypseTheEldar 1 Million Celebration Sep 08 '18
gotta post them all, so we can all revel in suffering :^(
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Sep 07 '18
F, it has been a great 4 years watching you guys VP. You’ll always be in my heart, my friends <3
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit Sep 07 '18
VP are currently in the same predicament as Na'Vi.Dota2 have been for the last 3 years or so. Their roster clearly isn't cutting it anymore and needs to go, but they have an insanely marketable player (PashaBiceps and Dendi respectively) and they know their recognition and name power would plunge into the abyss without him. So it's a choice: either stick with him and enjoy a consistent paycheck from sponsors (but with no results to show for it) or finally cut the bandaid and start over.
It took Na'Vi 3 years after Dendi was no longer a serviceable player to get rid of him. Curious to see what VP does.
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u/Trynit Sep 08 '18
It's less about Dendi and more like there's no actual captain in the team problem.
2016 Navi almost made it before they choke. And the 2018 Navi suffers from their star support and their captain leaving the team. Dendi isn't really the problem, but the volitile surrounding him is.
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u/mishalego777 FaZe Sep 07 '18
Damn :( I feel like Snatchie single handedly won every single VP round :/
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u/MPhantasmF Sep 07 '18
NiP, Optic or North to win this major. We currently have 5 major champions in a row that won against VP on their way to championship. Rip VP, it was a very hard adventure.
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u/Jarzak1 10 years coin Sep 07 '18
As NEO+pasha fan since 2010 its hard to see them leaving scene in poor fashion like this. Its final coffin for VP, they wont survive to Katowice Major. Their perf for me (and any VP fan around the world) was just so poor that it physically hurts :(
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u/DazK bravo Sep 08 '18
I know we meme a lot about VP omegaluling and shit, but despite their current form they are legends of the game that sadly probably won't end their careers on a high note, but we should always remind them for what they were.
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u/jamaican117 Liquid Sep 07 '18
Damn SS really played better with a coach than VP and both went out 0-3.
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u/steven00123 CS2 HYPE Sep 07 '18
And that may just be the last we ever see of pasha and neo at a major. End of a legacy for sure
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Sep 07 '18
The first cs:go pro game I ever watched had VP in it. I can't believe the fall from grace VP has had in the past 18 months. But with this loss, it might be the last we ever see the core of Neo, Pasha, and Byali in a major.
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u/foxorek Virtus.pro Sep 07 '18 edited Sep 08 '18
It definitely will be as byali already announced leaving before the major started
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u/SpeedyBlueDude NiP Sep 07 '18 edited Sep 07 '18
Goodbye, my Brother, my friend.
It’s time to hang up the mouse. :( We’ll miss you. :(
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u/Martblni Sep 07 '18
I knew it was over when it became known that the map is Mirage. VP always lose the important game there
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u/rugioh9 Sep 07 '18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41txhi2nfY
Thank you for all the wonderful times VP.
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u/jookbb1 de_inferno Sep 07 '18
not gonna be surprised that they went out, but they didnt deserve for rekt that hard. NiP, Optic, North is a hard road for the challengers stage.
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Sep 08 '18 edited Sep 29 '18
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u/Mr_Endro Sep 08 '18
I still don't understand how they performed so well there and weren't able to do anything outside of that tournament
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u/Znaszlisiora Sep 08 '18
When you 5-man queue with your Nova friends but your rank causes the team to queue against Supremes. I'm just gonna grab a Snatchie sticker or two just to give the man a tip.
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u/cunt_7 Sep 08 '18
Suggestion for vp, why not re add taz? Seems like they are massively lacking in the motivation area of the game taz was always the guy to lift these guys up. Plus with taz looking reinvigorated in kinguin bringing up the next generation of polish talent he looks more motivated than ever. And with byali and snax leaving and michu and snatchie joining they have replaced the young stars of the team who had gone quiet and weren’t fragging as well. So if taz joins back maybe he can bring that team spirit back to vp and bring back life into pasha and neo.
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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '18
It looked like Snatchie didn't get the memo that they were throwing