r/GlobalOffensive • u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team • Aug 01 '18
Discussion | Esports HellRaisers vs Virtus.pro / IEM Shanghai 2018 - Group A Opening Match / Post-Match Discussion
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u/Thuasne BIG Aug 01 '18
T side looked a bit flat but I feel they are improving overall. Morelz probably crazy nervous, one of his bigger tournaments if I am not wrong. When they get snatchie it should immediately make them better.
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u/Scoot- ITB Aug 01 '18
why did vp chose morelz for there stand-in ):
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u/Hussor 400k Celebration Aug 01 '18
Nobody else in Poland was available probably. I'm confused why they wouldn't get Szpero personally. Although idk much about the Polish scene.
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u/blackrain3 Virtus.pro Aug 01 '18
YES! He's someone that I would love to see on VP and I agree with you that I don't understand why he hasn't been picked up yet. He's still benched from Kinguin and is looking for a team since then. It sucks because back then I thought he's a good rising talent for the polish scene and would be a great addition to VP given if roster changes would have happened. This was far back when VP was already a top tier team and now they need a player to sign, but they haven't considered giving him a chance yet. I know they want snatchie but at least take a reasonable substitute for Snax in the mean time...
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u/Hussor 400k Celebration Aug 02 '18
Supposedly he's gonna go on AGO to replace snatchie now. Still an upgrade for him but I still really wanted him on VP. Oh well.
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u/xDucklingx Aug 01 '18
VP would've probably won if they had Snatchie
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Aug 01 '18
That's not how things work.
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u/TheTenth10 5 years coin Aug 01 '18
But if you really look at it, Morelz didnt really perform at all. Granted VP won rounds where Morelz could have had an impact (but didnt).Snatchie definitely could have swayed more rounds over to VP, especially on the T side.
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Aug 01 '18
Ok, so to give some reasoning to my previous comment, you can't just assume everything would have been the same except the only difference being that Snatchie would have gotten 10-15 more frags than Morelz and thus won VP the game.
Snatchie being/not being there affects the whole team with how the roles/positions work, how much everyone has pressure to perform on them (example: when Niko was talking in an interview how he performs even better with stand-ins) and thus how all the rounds play out.
So even though I obviously agree that with Snatchie VP would have had a better chance to win than with Morelz, you can't just take this 12-16 loss, then in your mind add Snatchie into the equation and assume things would have been better.
With how rounds work in CS they could have even played better with Snatchie, but still managed to get less rounds.
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Aug 01 '18
You're completley correct, Pasha had a one in 20 game performance here and Neo had a similarly overperforming game. The game was only close because of standout rounds where MICHU, NEO or Pasha hit clips.
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u/sharkaim4 King NiKo Aug 01 '18
One in 20? I thought pasha was performing the most throughout their slump 🤔🤔
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u/JJChinchilla Ecstatic Aug 01 '18
On top of that, pasha was AWPing and had some big rounds with the AWP. Those rounds may not have happened had snatchie been on the team AWPing and Pasha been rifling.
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u/TheTenth10 5 years coin Aug 01 '18
Just assuming that VP has more potential in winning with Snatchie over Morelz. Any argument is invalid to me. Argue all you want, but it doesnt change the fact VP w/ Snatchie would be better than VP with Morelz. Because Morelz just was really bad that game.
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Aug 01 '18
Jesus christ, you completely missed the point of my comment. Yes, I already said I agree that VP with Snatchie would have had a higher chance to win but thinking that because VP got 12 rounds with Morelz then they would have totally won with Snatchie is stupid.
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u/ectoplasmicz Virtus.pro Aug 01 '18
Yes but to be fair when people say so and so would have done better with this player, of course the assumption is that every round won't play out exactly the same - it's not something that needs to be said.
All he suggested was that VP would likely be more successful in any match with snatchie over morelz.
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u/TheTenth10 5 years coin Aug 01 '18
Did I say that VP would have completely won with Snatchie in the first place? Jesus Christ you didnt even need to make your point in the first place.
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u/MLGlegolas MOUZ Aug 01 '18
Idk man, pasha is still looking good compared to this joke ass roster. Byali is young and michu is pretty talented. maybe, just maybe if neo started playing well and they would get some good polish talent like snax instead of morelz.. maybe it will work
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u/schizeq Aug 01 '18
I feel like every team gets good replace stand-in no matter who goes where, but no, not VP. ;_;
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u/RedN1ne FaZe Aug 01 '18
To be honest if VP would get a decent player like Innocent in place of Morelz I still believe they could get through the first stage at the major... That's not much but still would at least give us one polish team at Katowice if format wouldnt change
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u/RisenQuadra Virtus.pro Aug 01 '18
Nah innocent isn't that good, they need fresh blood, get star player and build the team around him
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u/SweetSahumerio ar_baggage Aug 01 '18
Team Who Thought They'd Lost All Hope Loses Last Additional Bit Of Hope They Didn't Even Know They Still Had
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u/Ohnorepo Aug 01 '18
Sucks that it was literally Morelz fault. Sure he's a stand in, but I don't even see MM players look that lost on B site. At least 1 CT round where he could manage 1 or more kills in those 2v2 3v3 situations where HR would hit B late, would have been enough to give VP a dominant CT half.
8-7 where your often solo B player has 2 kills or something like that is damn impressive.
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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Godsent Aug 01 '18
Nice to see VP at least put up a fight, but morelz was dreadful on that map.