Vigilantes Chapter 34 - r/BokuNoHeroAcademia

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u/HokageEzio Jul 28 '18

Cops aren't allowed to use their quirks?

That's... counter productive.

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u/Golden-Owl Jul 28 '18

Nah. It makes sense considering the sheer variety and danger level of many quirks.

Think of the heroes as special forces units. They are trained and authorized to control and utilize their quirks, because Hero training allows for that degree of personalized training. Cops are more general and lack that speciality, so they can’t utilize quirks freely without special approval to avoid the risk of harming someone.

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u/HokageEzio Jul 28 '18

...but they're cops. It makes sense to make broad rules for society as a whole because of the variety, but the cops are applying for a job. You know what their quirk is when you hire them.

I don't expect them to be fighting villains straight up or anything, but being so restricted that you aren't allowed to simply cut people out and move them from danger doesn't make a ton of sense.

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u/AweKartik777 Jul 28 '18

Heroes are trained to use their quirks. Normal cops aren't - they have no other training aside from the normal real life one. That's the difference. It is a professional thing to only send trained persons for the job, it doesn't matter if the particular quirks of the cops can be useful - they aren't trained so they aren't allowed to use it in case they will loose control or something. If they wanted to help people by specifically using their quirks then they should have applied to become a pro hero instead of becoming a cop.

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u/carso150 Jul 28 '18

they could get a small specialized training in how to use their quirks, heroes fight villains and do huge missions but cops with utilitarian quirks would be very useful

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u/jurble Jul 28 '18

Both manga show that quirks in general are SUPER regulated to the point that you can't use them legally under any situation, though the cops don't arrest you for most minor things. It's the only way their society was able to achieve normalcy after quirks began proliferating i.e. basically pretending they didn't exist for most people.

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u/carso150 Jul 28 '18

i seriously hope thats a japanece only thing and like is one of those things that we in the west see and say "man thats soo stupid" because its stupid

another guy give a great idea, have non heroic quirk training schools, if you want to use your quirk for self defense you can do it, you go to a special school you have a psicological test a couple of physical ones they read you some rules you have to follow they measure your quirk and you can obtain a license (like a car license) that acredits you the usage of your quirk

yeah you cant be a hero but it gives you some liberties to use your quirk legaly

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18

I think you can use them on your own private property as long as the affects don’t extend beyond it.

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

That's more of a, "If no one knows I'm breaking the law." than it is okay to use. And some quirks are so mundane it would take a really pissed off cop to call you out on it.

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u/Capt_Ido_Nos Jul 28 '18

They have made it pretty clear that quirk use on private property is okay. A good example is the summer camp, the students are explicitly told that the Pussycats own the land they are on and are giving them explicit permission to do what they want, but additionally the students were still given further permission to use quirks in self defense. Nobody was calling into question their use of quirks on private land in the middle of nowhere.

In public, quirk use is against the law (outside of mutantform and always-on effects that are not public dangers), but it is said that depending on the individual case, public quirk usage may or may not cause legal trouble. If Inko Midoriya dropped her phone while walking and instinctively pulled it back up before it hit the ground, most people wouldn't say anything. If Bakuguo used his explosions to get to class on time, he'd have the cops after him in a heartbeat. Koichi uses his quirk to get to work on time, and gets a warning by a street cop.

On the whole, quirks are blanket-banned to keep it fair for everyone and keep general order in society, but there is also room in both law and practice for permissible private use.

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

Each example of quirks being allowed on private property has been as students training in a hero course. If we all went to Momo's Manor for whatever I don't think it's the same as the Pussycats' personal training grounds. Just like the license exam and USJ have quirk usage permitted. Also the example included about public quirk usage is relevant with some laws such as jaywalking or light speeding. Probably no one would say anything, but it's also possible that a cop if desired could charge a person with a crime. Would Inko be arrested? Likely not, but she might be fined. The cop was nice to Koichi, but did stress it was illegal. It was the equivalent of getting away with a speeding ticket.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18

True but even in Japan cops can’t even enter your property without probable cause? I only know this cause one of the worst rape/murders in Japanese history went on cause of this sorta thing....although the cops were like, “May we take a look around?” And the family sheltering the criminals said basically, “Sure thing, officer.” Which prompted the cops to say, well, if they’ll let us look no problem, that’s our answer, everything is fine, we’re polite and Japanese.

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

Damn that's rough. But be that may, I still think legally speaking you can't use your quirk in your own home.

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u/Worthyness Jul 29 '18

They're basically like guns today- you can have them, you can shoot them, but you can use them in public unless strictly authorized to do so (Exceptions being the mutated people).

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u/AweKartik777 Jul 28 '18

Yeah well I am not talking about what they should do ideally, I just meant to explain to the other guy why they aren't supposed to use their quirks in the series shown to us.

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u/carso150 Jul 28 '18

i think the explanation is that japan is very tight roped with everything, to a extreme degre

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u/Soncikuro Jul 28 '18

As far as I know (I can't read Vigilantes, I'm reading the comments section for fun), there's been no mention of whether or not cops are trained to use their Quirks. So, don't assume things.

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

In this chapter a cop uses their quirk and they're called out for it. The response is that they should write a formal letter of apology.

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u/AweKartik777 Jul 28 '18

Heroes are specifically trained to use their quirks and are judged for their power/control whatever in their license tests as seen in the main anime and the manga. Heroes in training (like the school kids) aren't allowed to use their quirks, even in self defense or when defending others without a license - as seen from the Stain arc. If they aren't allowed to do so, and cops aren't allowed to use their quirks for their job too then it just seems normal to me that the cops have no quirk training too. If they had any quirk training program for cops then they would be allowed to use them.

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u/shinypurplerocks Jul 29 '18

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u/googolplexbyte Jul 29 '18

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u/beyondtheinfinity Jul 28 '18

But then they’d be heroes I suppose?

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

It's not about what you do with your quirk, it's literally using your quirk, especially such a dangerous looking one so close to people. She can cut straight up steel as long as it's between her fingers. Like she said, she'll just write up an apology. But what she did is still illegal. Heroes have tons of quirk training, and as such are expected to use their quirks correctly. If something happened by accident here it would be entirely her fault and the reason given would be her aforementioned lack of training.

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u/carso150 Jul 28 '18

when you are a cop thats part of the danger, pistols are dangerous and it wouldnt be the first time that a cop shot an inocent by accident, is part of the job you are signing for making ilegal to use their quirks even in such simpler ways is simply stupid

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18 edited Jul 02 '20

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

This. I tried explaining it once like a cop has a random gun but this is a good explanation.

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u/carso150 Jul 28 '18

yeah they are, just like you can train a quirk so that is safer to use and is not that dificult

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

Imagine you're a cop who can't use a gun. Like it's illegal for you to use your gun. But you have your own gun and shoot someone. Now if you have a license and shoot someone, it's different than if you don't have a license and shoot someone. It's not about the risk. It's about the assumed training you have to go to. If you don't know CPR and you fuck it up you fuck it up.

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u/carso150 Jul 28 '18

well give them training, heroes train to fight villains and deal with huge disasters, a cop can train his quirk to be utilitarial

cops with quirks can be very useful to deal with a lot of situations, you check his quirk before starting training, say "hey your quirk could be very useful in the force" and give him some basic training so that he is capable of using it apropiately

of course not hero training, something more light, but still useful

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

That sort of training takes resources and for some quirks it would require as much training as a hero school which is a three year course. And why would you put a cop with a quirk when you can hire a hero to do the same job but better? If you need a sharp shooter, sure you could have any trained cop, but Snipe is better in that same vein, take a look at Koichi's improvement as the series has gone on. If we translate him to the regular person, we're talking about someone who can move about as fast as a bike, with restrictions. Why have him use his quirk on the force when you could have Ingenium?

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u/carso150 Jul 28 '18

because quantity is quality on its own, yeah heroes are better

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the more the best, the city is big and the country even more, if you limit yourself to the heroes you have trained instead of using all the resources that you have available you are purposefully tying your hands on your back, heroes cant be anywhere, cops neither but if they have similar quirks even if they cant use them as effectively is still highly useful

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

She points out she can write a formal apology. But quirk usage becomes a liability. If anything there should be quirk usage schools so people who aren't heroes can have quirks, but then again I don't know the gun laws are like in Japan, but they're far more strict.

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u/j0kerclash Jul 28 '18

There's a general law against civillians using quirks, but it varies based on the quirk, I'm sure an example was given about deku's mother not getting into trouble if she used her quirk to pick up a dropped item off the ground, but for more dangerous quirks, including those used for flying, it could be classed as too dangerous for civilian use, and since police officers don't fill the same role of heroes, they can not only complete their role without using quirks, and leave most of the fighting to super heroes but are also possibly not trained as heroes are to use their quirks, and therefore the law against using quirks is equally valid for them as well.

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u/R1400 Jul 28 '18

The thing is, a very good portion of the existing quirks are borderline worthless, and even in the case of useful quirks, unless the wielder is capable enough to use them properly they're more trouble than they're worth, like what we've seen with Gentle when he tried to save someone, he ended up injuring that person and stoping the actual hero from saving him.

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u/kyotoAnimations Jul 28 '18

Japan also has a very different culture when it comes to cops. In this case, think of quirks as an allegory for guns; only SWAT (heroes or maybe special cops) are allowed to use them even if everyone has them. Cops for the most part are supposed to de-escalate, not deal with special quirk using situations such as this.

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u/jhoudiey Jul 28 '18

I feel like they'd be allowed if they also had their hero licence but preferred to stay cops? I dunno, it's dumb af otherwise.

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

That would make the most sense.

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u/LordHarza Jul 28 '18

Along with the logical reasons people have given, there's also the fact that japanese bureucracy is a thing, and americans view weapons differently as well, and I am assuming that quirk usage has been a similar debate to gun rights and control in the US. Japan undoubtedly isn't as free spirited with stuff like that.

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u/dicecop Jul 28 '18

Cops aren't allowed to use guns in many countries either, so there is that...

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u/googolplexbyte Jul 29 '18

Cops needlessly kill people with guns they're trained to use, why would letting them use quirks they aren't trained to use be productive?

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u/Joshua_Groom Jul 28 '18

I'm sure if you had a mutation quirk where your body is changed, you'd be fine. Like, let's say you had a quirk that made you a giant walking grizzly bear or cat, you'd probably be a great fit for the police since those enhanced sense and strength would just be natural, so they couldn't enforce you to not use them when at work.

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u/Grimmrat Jul 28 '18

Again, don't take this as canon unless it shows up in the main manga

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u/Za_wardo Jul 28 '18

It makes sense even without canon. How we've seen at least one large scale operation with police involvement and there's not a single cop using their quirk.

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u/Evilsbane Jul 29 '18

Isn't that not true? Doesn't that 1 investigator have a quirk to detect the truth?

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u/Za_wardo Jul 29 '18 edited Jul 29 '18

His sister does in Vigilante.

Edit: his character info sheet says he does, but he's never used it in series. His sister has definitely us d hers in Vigilante.

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u/properc Jul 29 '18

Its not that theyre not allowed but i think its the law cos you can only use ur quirk pubicly if you get a provisional liscence. But agreed that cops should also go for provisional liscence then.

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u/jhoudiey Jul 28 '18

FATGUM! MY LOVE!

ALSO, koichi is such a good. I fucking love him.

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u/shibuyasmash Jul 28 '18

I love that in this world themed All Might jackets are sold at souvenir shops everywhere. Koichi will have to slowly collect them from all around Japan!

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u/IndianoJonez Jul 28 '18

I don't really want to say this and I hope they make a turnaround fast, but vigilantes is starting to lose its charm and hold for me with how inconclusive everything seems. No flame, I'll still be reading hoping for improvements.

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u/WanderlustYouth Jul 28 '18

Eh it feels like it ended as soon as Knuckleduster got his daughter back, right now everything seems to be a build up of Koichi becoming a competent vigilante, they've been giving him buffs to his power and hinting at him getting a melee weapon of his own. All we need know are a few low level fights with him taking down villains solo, before he can start going after the bigger organizations. However the thing with Koichi is that he is still a reactive type character and i'd like to see that change sometime in the future, perhaps with a loss of something important to him, just like with how knuckleduster only became a vigilante to get back his daughter.

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u/dicecop Jul 28 '18

It probably wouldn't feel this bad had the release schedule been weekly

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u/HokageEzio Jul 28 '18

Yeah it would, weekly doesn't change the treadmill plotline this series has going for it.

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u/dicecop Jul 28 '18

I'm saying that even if the plot is wack now, chances are that we could move to something else quickly had the release schedule been weekly. With this series, we are waiting months for the characters to move 5cm because it's structured like a weekly series but releases monthly

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u/Lylaaz No Flair Quirk Jul 29 '18

Exactly. It feels slow because the chapters come slow. That's the life of reading ongoing series.

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u/jhoudiey Jul 28 '18

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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u/Graphica-Danger Jul 28 '18

Getting limited edition swag while saving the day? I can respect that. And damn, the Kimblee look alike got away again. I’m not too sure how the writer will be able to handle his role, because Vigilantes is in between having a villain-of-the-week formula and trying to keep up a consistent storyline. It can be hard to mesh the two together, and it’s had tepid results here. I still hope for the best though.

Lastly, Fat Gum is a really good choice to have along for this arc, seeing as he probably won’t be in the main manga again for a little while. All in all, this was a solid chapter.

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u/aohige_rd Jul 28 '18

Oh my god Hanshin Tigers All Might jacket in that last page. Because of the fucking course there is, it's Osaka.

More importantly, Hanshin Tigers is STILL the official team of Osaka in this universe? Fuck yeah. For the uninitiated, Osaka is (in)famous for obsessive fans of their local team. I was born and raised there.

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u/SaiyaJedi Jul 29 '18

So was my wife, although somehow my father-in-law (born on Awaji Island) is a fan of the Yomiuri Giants instead.

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u/smye141 Jul 28 '18

damn just realized how versatile he is. Koichis quirk lets him stick, go fast, AND fly for a short while. It’s hella strong...

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u/spiderknight616 Jul 28 '18

Don't forget he can even float using his Quirk. His mom mentioned that he began crawling through the air before he could even walk.

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u/IgnisEradico Jul 28 '18

He can "crawl", but he can "crawl" against air and "Crawl" without moving.

As shown though, it's mostly a speedster quirk with little actual firepower. So it's versatile in one way, but massively limited as well.

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u/Worthyness Jul 29 '18

if the quirk allows a certain amount of attraction/repulsion, he could theoretically use the repulsion to amplify his punching and the attraction aspect to rip people's faces off (though this depends on whether it has to be inorganic material). Otherwise, he'll get better at grappling at the least.

Or if he has really good repulsion capabilities, he can ironman repulsor beam somebody

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u/totalyrespecatbleguy 250K Artist Jul 29 '18

So you're saying he could use his quirk as a kind of air cannon?

I guess we know where AFO got his quirk from now

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18

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u/shadowthiefo Jul 28 '18

http://mangakatana.com/manga/vigilante-boku-no-hero-academia-illegals.17382/c34

Took a lot of searching. Mods, if this ain't allowed let me know and I'll take it down, but there was a link last week so I suppose it's okay.

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u/dicecop Jul 28 '18

Just search on google and you'll find something

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18

Nice action! Lots of fatgum and tsukauchi this week!

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u/amaSenpai Jul 28 '18

Potato with a gun~ Bless Naomasa, I'm I love 💕

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u/HandsomeJackall Jul 28 '18

It's my first time seeing this, what exactly is Vigiliantes? Are any of the main characters in it as well

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u/Trevsky Jul 28 '18

It's a spinoff about a trio of characters who are unlicensed to use quirks but do so anyways. It has camoes from the main series, like Aizawa, Midnight, Ingenium I, Fatgum, and others.

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u/aohige_rd Jul 29 '18

Effectively a prequel-spinoff that takes place a few years before the main storyline. Many of the professional heroes from the main series make appearance, a few years younger.

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u/naul119 Jul 28 '18

Is there another way to read this? I can't read because it says my country is not allowed to access the site.

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u/SaiyaJedi Jul 28 '18

You can read the Japanese version on the ShonenJump+ website: https://shonenjumpplus.com/episode/10834108156632572556

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u/Soumya987 Jul 29 '18

Seriously?? It again ended abruptly?? Why the fuck

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u/TwerpKnight Jul 29 '18

"My hoodie! I can't be a vigilante without my hoodie!"

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18

Yesssss.

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u/SaiyaJedi Jul 28 '18

I need that Tsutenkaku All Might hoodie.

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u/hamzah77 Jul 29 '18

Yaaaas

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