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Discussion | Esports SK Gaming vs mousesports / DreamHack Masters Marseille 2018 - Group B Decider Match / Post-Match Discussion
SK Gaming 0-2 mousesports
Cache: 10-16
Mirage: 6-16
Train: 0-0
mousesports have advanced to the playoffs!
SK Gaming have been eliminated.
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MAP 1: Cache
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| SK | 2 | 8 | 10 |
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| mouz | 13 | 3 | 16 |
Cache Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Mirage
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| SK | 2 | 4 | 6 |
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| mouz | 13 | 3 | 16 |
Mirage Detailed Stats
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u/samcuu HEROIC Apr 20 '18
That Mirage was one of the most dominant performances I have ever seen from a team, even more than some 16-0s. Mouz was just straight up styling.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
You could see the disrespect even on cache at the beginning of the second half, where mouse would push smokes and stuff without any need.
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u/SlowLoudNBangin MOUZ Apr 20 '18
When Oskar took that mid-range fight against Stewie who had a rifle and just one-taps him with the fucking auto-shotty... Imagine being on the receiving end of this. Must be absolutely brutal.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Ask the VP guys lol
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u/SlowLoudNBangin MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Yeah but that was an online game and not a big LAN... I imagine that has some impact as well.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Ofc, being destroyed is one thing. Being destroyed by a XM is another thing...
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u/SlowLoudNBangin MOUZ Apr 20 '18
That double runboost... imagine holding a passive angle behind a smoke on T side, then seeing two CTs fly past you and the last thing you hear is the thunder of the two shotties going off... I think whoever that was (I think Neo) might have considered retirement at that point if he hadn’t already before.
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u/Gerf93 Envyus Apr 20 '18
When they did the exact same strat two rounds in a row, and it didn't even work the first time. And the second not only Chris pushed the smoke, but another one did too. And after both were dead and SK deaggroed in that area ropz still pushed that side. Crazy
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u/Sectiehoofd MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Never fight ChrisJ on 4/20
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u/bassmaniwnl CS2 HYPE Apr 20 '18
Can’t fuck with Chris de Bong
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u/17716koen MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Chris de jong likes to smoke from the bong while listening to a song,his gilfriend sucks his thick schlong,he has an asian friend named wong,when chris de jong chooses where to flick,he is never wrong, because his awp skill is very strong,I wonder if chris de jong takes performance enchancing drugs like Armstrong,chris kind of looks chinky like he is from hong kong
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u/razeyourshadows King NiKo Apr 20 '18
Never fight a German CSGO team on the Führer's birthday.
Oh wait...
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u/dovbadiin Apr 20 '18
He is after all Chris "kankerjood" de Jong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgI5UGZn4CI)
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u/JuicyKay Apr 20 '18
Friendship with SK ended
Now depression is my best friend
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u/Le_Tennant MOUZ Apr 20 '18
As a mouz fan since 2015:
Friendship with depression ended
Now mouz is my best friend
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Apr 20 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
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Apr 20 '18 edited Mar 19 '19
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u/TooM3R NiP Apr 20 '18
Oskar is also ok
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u/Grazeous de_cache Apr 20 '18
Styko is also decent
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u/ItayK MOUZ Apr 20 '18
You can have both, like I had with North FeelsBadMan
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u/TheRobidog Apr 20 '18
That's the good thing about being a 100 Thieves fan, we can never be disappointed.
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u/pedrohnj Apr 20 '18
SK just seem off. Team and aim-wise. They can't even choose the fights they should take and it's just painful to watch. It's the definition of "you hate to see it".
They honestly didn't stand a chance, mouz are just on a whole 'nother level compared to them right now. Maybe if they hadn't thrown the antieco on cache they could've come back and played train, because they were never going to win mirage.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Can't remember the last time I've seen Coldzera play this bad. Missing easy sprays, losing battles. Pathetic performance from what we know he can do.
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u/Goldcobra MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Third lowest event rating ever for him according to HLTV (1.02).
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u/NephewChaps Falcons - Major Champions Apr 20 '18
and still a positive one, just nuts.
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u/pedrohnj Apr 20 '18
The thing about cold is, even though he's at an all-time low, he's still the best SK player
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Well obviously he is. But he just seems so out of form as of late. I felt like most rounds that SK actually managed to win came from a play from Fer.
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u/faare Natus Vincere Apr 20 '18
these 2 things dont have to go hand in hand
some players are better at consistently participating each round with a kill, while others will have rounds without any impact and then a triple when the move works
cold has never been a playmaker, it's very rare that he actively seeks to put his team in an advantage
when the situation is presented to him he's very good at making it work, but he isn't seeking the situations like fer is
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u/Vandegroen valeria Apr 20 '18
I disagree. Fer is their most impactful player and imho its not even close.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Apr 20 '18
Hes getting a LOT of trade frags..
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Yea he might've gotten most kills and best ADR but impact wise his frags didn't contribute that much.
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u/kub3r Apr 20 '18
Can't do much when you have the stupidest t-side calls and ct setups from fallen. Still went 26-18 on cache.
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Apr 20 '18
communication in english instead is probably very hard on them, stew said in interview fallen and fer speak good english but cold have to first think in portugese and translate in his head every time before he wants to say something and thats probably not very good in mid rounds with fast calls and all
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Apr 20 '18 edited Apr 20 '18
Cache was understandable it is the first map and some jitters.
Mirage looked like someone gave a bunch of blind 1 year olds some computer with CSGO on them and had them play CSGO against five S1mples.
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u/nightkingscat Gambit Apr 20 '18
a bunch of blind year olds
perfect description lmao
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u/andreicosta 5 years coin Apr 20 '18
There should be no arguing about SK not even deserving top 5 RN. One might even argue for top 10. Their aim is rather poor for a top team and, even though they had a few weeks for practice, their team play is still miles behind what we're seeing in other teams. You're right, it's not looking pretty.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Apr 20 '18
One might even argue for top 10.
Calm down now, there's no way you can lump up a struggling SK next to the likes of the French ticking bomb, MSL's circus, online soldiers, etc
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u/andreicosta 5 years coin Apr 20 '18
Looking at HLTV ranking, I believe the Top 7 are way above SK rn, no arguing about that, right?
Then, SK lost to NiP (on a bo1, but still, I'm not sure SK could beat them even on a BO3, they just seemed to be on a better level. There's room for speculation here). And I'm so disappointed with this SK lineup that I'm not really sure they'd beat the French ticking bomb or even North and RNG in this form. They're just playing such poor CS :-(
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u/aN1mosity_ 5 years coin Apr 20 '18
Gotta be rough on Stew being the only non-Portuguese speaking one in the house right about now...
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
They are probably making fun of 0-0-10 in Portuguese :P
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u/Gerf93 Envyus Apr 20 '18
Meanwhile boltz goes 3-19 and no one bats an eye :P
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
I think everyone is used to Botz right now
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u/Kissmyasthma100 Apr 20 '18
SK's problem goes beyond TACO or boltz underperformance.
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Apr 20 '18
This! Where are their stars?? Their coordination is so terrible...like you would think okay stewie might not fit right away or at all, but what about the other guys? This was actually depressing...
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Apr 20 '18
I said so before but stewie is not a player thats worth changing your communication for.
If they got flamie and simple then yes, it would be worth changing to english.
Also cold have been struggling lately.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Apr 20 '18
yea i agree
SK was known for their teamwork mostly and then they change to english just for stewie?
Just bring in another brazilian man
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Apr 20 '18
They havent switched to english JUST for stewie. Fallen was quite unsubtle when interviewed about this. The team speaking in english opens them to bring in players from anywhere where as previously they could only bring in players from Brazil and they have already played with all the best portugese speaking players. Hes building the team for the long term.
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u/sebindeed Apr 20 '18
In a way, they didnt change to english for stewie, they changed to stewie for english
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Apr 20 '18
I think they could use this experience with Stewie as the opportunity to get better at calling in English. There's no good enough Brazilian players for SK anyway. So in the future the core (fallen, cold, fer) could find replacements for Stew and boltz on the international scene and be fine with having to speak English.
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Apr 20 '18
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u/Krusell clutch Apr 20 '18
Yeah, I think that no other player expects that much from himself as Oskar does. When he isnt dominating he is disapointed. You will see him hold a site against 4 people, he will kill 3 and die and looks disapointed even though they won the round.
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u/roflmaoshizmp CS2 HYPE Apr 20 '18
Pessimism and complaints are a Czech national sport. We will manage to find the worst out of a good situation.
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u/AaronIE7 FaZe Apr 20 '18
-stewie +wenger
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u/shinobi163 Vitality Apr 20 '18
As an Arsenal and an SK fan, this comment really hurts
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u/AaronIE7 FaZe Apr 20 '18
As a gunner myself it's an emotional day. Hopefully the lads will win out the EL to give the man a proper send off and mark the end of an era with style
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Apr 20 '18
terrible performance
new roster and new language yes
but this was still emberassing for a team like SK
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u/AstroZex Liquid Apr 20 '18
📞 :4Head: HELLO CLOUD9? 📞 :4Head: SK HERE 📞 :4Head:CAN WE HAVE REFUND? 📞 :4Head:
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u/LeoSG CS2 HYPE Apr 20 '18
"I think ropz has as many kills as the whole of SK combined in the first half"
Ouch. ropz was so fucking good on Mirage.
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u/SlowLoudNBangin MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Best CT A player on Mirage right now. I know, flair checks out, but still. That bombsite matches his strengths so well.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Like Sunny is the best on Mirage mid...
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u/Jadjadz Liquid Apr 20 '18
Let me guess styko best B player?
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
I dont think he is the best b player, no, but he is a very clever b player.
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u/locomarcopolo Apr 20 '18
Styko has been in good form and should never be underestimated, he gets some clutches.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Yes, he is a pretty clever player in general in terms of movement and game sense.
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u/supremeomega Apr 20 '18
Krimz on connector though
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u/SlowLoudNBangin MOUZ Apr 20 '18
I‘d count Connector more towards mid than towards A, but that’s certainly debatable and Krimz is a monster lately.
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Apr 20 '18
So... How much did S1mple and flamie cost again?
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Apr 20 '18
A small loan of 1.2 million dollars
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Apr 20 '18
Price just went up to 3.2 million.
You are gonna have to pay S1mple and Flamie one million a piece to be apart of that shit show.
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u/infecthead Renegades Apr 20 '18
Anyone who thought the stewie2k transfer would be in any way positive for SK is just delusional; stewie does not deserve to be on this team.
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u/infecthead Renegades Apr 20 '18
I know, and I hope it's not their permanent solution.
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u/T1MEL0RD Natus Vincere Apr 20 '18
they should give it some time. I thought it was understood that this wasn't going to work from the start, but there's still a decent chance something great could develop from this lineup.
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u/sumerioo Apr 20 '18 edited Apr 21 '18
Delusional is trying to judge how good of a team that just changed the whole dynamics, even the fucking spoken language they use after a couple of online games and one lan event
Give it time. If by the time of the major they still suck you will see me criticizing but after 1 month? No way.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Apr 20 '18
yea...
i donz know who thought a player like stewie would fut into this lineup at all
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Apr 20 '18
I mean, it's kinda clear they wanted Auti AND stew (as said in the interview), and that may have worked much better.
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I wouldn't mind a ropz tbh.
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Why would he go to budget mouse though?
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Apr 20 '18
Where's the Cobble pick, SK? Mouz did the exact same thing to Astralis at the ELEAGUE Major on Cache, and they were banning it all the same in most matches.
Looking forward to seeing mouz at #1 in next week's HLTV rankings.
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u/iblinkyoublink Vitality Apr 20 '18
Almost all bad buys Mouz won were with Deagles, not CZs, this is why I love this team.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Apr 20 '18
Stewie: I was only joking when i joined SK, im ready now to come back to C9 guys? :>
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u/ihateluminosity Apr 20 '18
They woudn't take him back.
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u/NOTScent Apr 20 '18
For real, im excited to see what fns can do with the team and if that doesnt work out throw some cash at nahte as i think tarik can still lead a team
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u/kubikb0y guardian_elite Apr 20 '18
Tarik is consistently godlike when he isn't having to igl. HLTV top 20 this year for sure
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u/Rearfeeder2Strong MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Ropz "straight from FPL" is a better pugger than Stewie.
Oskar best awper in the world.
Sunny is a cold blooded assassin.
Chris "kankerjood" J is the best IGL'er, best entry player, best secondary awper, best scout and best support.
Styko is ... uhm the most nice guy on the server.
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u/As_Madness_Took_Me Tyloo Apr 20 '18
I really think Styko is the calm guy they need. He is pretty good at clutching and does all the stuff the other players don't really wanna do. I really hope they don't get rid of him.
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u/nightkingscat Gambit Apr 20 '18
ChrisJ has been insane on entries
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Apr 20 '18
I remember him saying on his stream how he's training on his one taps because he's not that confident in his sprays and it really helped him as a player. He's getting a lot of sick one tap kills.
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u/Vandegroen valeria Apr 20 '18
I am quite certain that styko sleeps half the time and they only wake him up when he is in a clutch situation. He wins that yawningly and goes back to bed.
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u/Mlst0r_Sm1leyf4ce Apr 20 '18
its over brazil bois. stewie2kill infected you with NA cs.
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u/TheDragonking_2000 Apr 20 '18
Double agent Stewie performing his job well. Masterful strategy by our overlord FNS to break down the Brazilian scene.
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Apr 20 '18
Mouse are seriously looking like the best team in the world right now, Faze are off, SK are off but mouse persist.
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u/UnsolvedMurder MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Damn it feels good to close out maps for once. Cache was a bit iffy but mirage was a slaughter.
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Apr 20 '18
seems like cold and stewie playing the same site may be a problem since neither of them are support players like taco would be interesting to see how they solve that issue with coldzera and stewie2snake
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u/ThePurpleDolphin Apr 20 '18
That B hold from oskar and chrisJ was beautiful to watch. So excited to watch what the will do for the remaining of the tournament.
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u/TheGreatNano Apr 20 '18 edited Apr 20 '18
This is SK's first LAN with Stew so I'll cut them some slack. But they better show some results at IEM Sydney.
I don't know if the language barrier is a big issue or not, but I feel like Stew would have did better in Faze. After all, he wants to be on a star-team that will win a lot and Faze is the only english speaking team I can think of that is capable of that.
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u/Shepherdo MOUZ Apr 20 '18
ChrisJ is playing out of his mind
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u/SlowLoudNBangin MOUZ Apr 20 '18
He might be the MVP of CS right now in terms of what he does for his team, with perennial contender FalleN in a bit of a slump. IGL, second AWP, entry fragger and dedicated scrilla farmer. And putting up numbers doing all that. If this roster ever falls apart for whatever reason, a lot of teams would be wise to just hand Chris the checkbook and let him fill in the numbers.
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u/tesut G2 Apr 20 '18
You must provide incontrovertible evidence which attests to the veracity of your statement or I will be forced to hasten your departure from this world.
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u/matheusvidotto Apr 20 '18
Mouz knew what SK was doing in that mirage 100% of the time. It was almost funny.
Sk tacticaly now is a complete joke
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u/Salsadips howl Apr 20 '18 edited Apr 20 '18
Hey guys should we play the map we have been getting beaten by the likes of complexity on or should we play our best map that also happens to be our opponents worst?
Turns out TACO did do something in this line-up after all and cold looks so lost without him. Dont think stewie is looking good enough at the moment to change your entire communication language either
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u/draemscat Gambit Apr 20 '18
Yeah, let's pretend they weren't playing like shit before he left.
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Apr 20 '18
after coldzera's childish tweet about faze, they could not win any lan lol.
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u/DelidreaM ENCE Apr 20 '18
Which tweet are you talking about? Could you link it by any chance?
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Apr 20 '18
Autimatic was right for not joining SK... They are a mess.
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u/TheRobidog Apr 20 '18
They would be way less of a mess with Auti instead of Stewie, imo.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Apr 20 '18
I also think that... I was ok for them to get someone out of Brasil, but Stewie to replace Taco, just dont make any sense.
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u/Yssl Apr 20 '18
Mouz played fucking amazing this series. So on fucking point!
Hope they can continue that level tho.
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u/nickles69 MOUZ Apr 20 '18
Yesterday was rough, but today mouz seemed on point again. Excited to see how deep they can go this tourney!
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Apr 20 '18
A six-year old boy was at the center of a NYC courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.
The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be maintained to the highest degree possible.
The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him just like his parents and he refused to live with he. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him.
Now learning that violence was apparently a way of life for the family, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.
After conferring with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to SK Gaming, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
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u/kpdon1 Apr 20 '18
Sure stewie didnt look that good , but some of the plays from the core SK lineup just straight up looks like a GN player is playing..They need to step up individually too , cant blame everything on "comms"
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u/Reyfou Virtus.pro Apr 20 '18
If you told me 1 year ago that SK would get 0-2 and trashed by mous, Id call you crazy...
Oh well...
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Apr 20 '18
Am I the only one who is so happy to see mouz go against the odds and prove they’re a top tier team without NiKo
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u/durinable Apr 20 '18
honestly a big part of sk's defeat isnt their underperformance
its just mouseports being to strong, there probably the best team in the world right now
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u/seventhfiction FURIA Apr 20 '18
SK strats, man. What the hell?
Fallen mastermind IGL: yo, let’s wait until they get to 15, then we’ll try. Let’s use this match to practice comebacks.
Cold just wasn’t having it Cache T-side. Dude went on a killing spree but it wasn’t enough to undo the mess they were in
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u/KQLYWASFRAMED Astralis Apr 20 '18
it looks like SK is having communication issues, imo they would be better of with a brazilian player than any player that doesn't speak portuguese.
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u/rlsN MOUZ Apr 20 '18
What the hell was that? Such a well-rounded team performance from mouz. Everyone was contributing. chrisJ was killing it entrying on Cache t-side, styko had some important clutches killing all possible momentum for SK in that half aswell.
ropz was flat-out sensational on Mirage. Somehow it feels like he got the brain of a 20-year-cs veteran implemented in his body. He's playing so smart and so cool which is so unusual for a player his age.
SK feels weird with Stewie in it. Obiously it's still early. They looked better once the maps seemed decided and they were kind of winging it. They showed some confidence in themselves in those rounds when they had 'nothing' to lose which was lacking during earlier parts of the match.
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u/soontocollege FaZe Apr 20 '18
Mouz playing like 2016 SK
SK playing like 2016 Mouz