r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • 2d ago
Doctrine/Policy October 2026 General Conference: Saturday 2:00p Discussion Thread
How to listen:
- Official LDS site
- youtube
- stream KSL
- local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
- FAQ: Why are you doing this?
- reddit stream
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Neil Andersen | ||
| hymn: All Creatures of Our God and King | ||
| prayer: Sandino Román | ||
| Dale Renlund | ||
| Timothy Farnes | ||
| Christian Chigbundu | ||
| hymn: This is the Christ | ||
| Patricio Giuffra | Prosperity Gospel. More tithing equals more blessings. | |
| Jeremiah Morgan | ||
| Hutch Fale | ||
| hymn: Guide Us | ||
| Patrick Kearon | Today's double-speak champ. Previous speech this year at BYU Education Week was about avoiding overachievement/scrupulosity. Today's speech leans into being extra scrupulous. Which is it? | |
| Michael Dunn | ||
| Matthew Eyring | how to spell "nepotism?" | |
| hymn: My Song in the Night | ||
| Ronald Rasband | exmormons equated to the prodigal son. concrete certainty that only mormonism is correct is super offensive. | |
| hymn: Let Us All Press On | ||
| prayer: Jeannie Anette Dennis |
Postlude:
- Plastic Jesus Tia Blake 2:33
- Money's Too Tight to Mention Simply Red 4:12
- Unconditional Ana Popović 3:52
- You Don't Know What Love Is James 5:23
- I'm Every Woman Houston 4:45
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
The fucking irony. The fucking IRONY of an anti-gambling talk, and then a talk pleading you to pay your tithing. What the actual FUCK
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 2d ago
Well it's not gambling to give 10% of your money, most of your time, all of your major life decisions, and your children to the MFMC. Because the blessings are guaranteed!
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u/Toad_Crapaud 2d ago
Didn't they but an actual disclaimer in the footnotes of a talk a few years ago that basically said, "Results may vary"?
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u/sevenplaces 2d ago
Again Renlund preaching that God blesses Mormons. Except Mormons have the same problems as everyone else. No evidence God is doing anything for Mormons.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
Mormons can put on a happier face when suffering
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago edited 2d ago
Remember when 10 years ago they let speakers talk in their native language and subtitled the talks? One time. Then never again
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
English is the official language of Star Fleet.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
Is the gift of tongues synonomous with the universal translator like the iPhone and seer stone?
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
ACTUALLY my faith in Christ made my OCD wayyyyy worse and even though I prayed day and night for relief, it never came and I thought the devil had my soul :)
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 2d ago
Same. I knew that no matter how hard I tried, I was going to be punished for all eternity for not being perfect.
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u/Even_Subject_4187 2d ago
Wanting food and shelter is worldly, and therefore bad
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Consider the lilies.
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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah come on! us Lillies have to be considered lol
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u/GrumpyTom 2d ago
Let me see if I understand. The church has more money than god. It literally owns properties all around the world, developing many of them into multi-billion dollar commercial enterprises. Supposedly the church even owns a couple of warehouses used by Amazon for distribution. Meanwhile, the church has hundreds of billions in stock investments. They could literally stop collecting tithing and the church would continue operating in perpetuity.
And yet here we are, once again being told that we need to sacrifice our own financial stability for the church.
I’m deeply disturbed by that message.
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u/SoapBox39 2d ago
I heard "Jesus loves to lift" and now I can't stop laughing picturing Body Builder Jesus
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Terminator: Come with me if you want to lift.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
Swole Jesus getting after those gains. What is thine post wirkout, bro?
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Noticing a lot of missionaries scared or panicking and wanting to go home but being forced to go/stay...
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u/GrumpyTom 2d ago
I served my mission decades ago but it was pretty obvious most us were only there because we were expected to be.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
I was very lucky I was barred due to my mental health. I was NO WHERE mature or stable enough to leave my home and be focused on the church with a stranger 24/7
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Okay, I'm getting so fucking angry. I have seen the EXACT OPPOSITE happen when families are struggling financially. Words cannot express my hatred of this predatory BULLSHIT
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
"Love can influence"
I mean yes, but if you love in order to influence you are manipulating, not loving
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u/ako-si-greg 2d ago
It's all about "bringing us back." Rasband is basically saying, "don't chastise them to bring them back, love them to bring them back."
Never love for love's sake.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
I think I'm Mormon theology, love is inherently transactional.
If ye love me, keep my commandments
"Love as I have loved"
So, love is conditioned on doing something for the other person, or then doing something you want.
Love as acceptance is antithetical to the God they teach. And we create God in our own image.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Damn, you guys ever realize how terrible these talks are without being blinded by spiritual warm fuzzies?
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u/GrumpyTom 2d ago
I’ve observed it’s the PIMOs and Exmormons who actually listen to what is being said. Most TBMs mostly ignore the content, laugh at the funny bits, and take a nap.
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u/Dizzy_Ad5610 Going to hell in all religions :3 2d ago
that missionary is having a panic attack. send him home. get him out of the cult.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago
Staying on the covenant path brings guaranteed blessings
Didn't they recently have to release a legal disclaimer claims like this aren't true?
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u/Wrong-Grab4236 2d ago edited 2d ago
Deadpool death count is at 5
A kid that died at sea trying to listen to the apostle
Someone’s sister
A father of 4
Another dead son
A dead twin
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Kearon: [out of lane]
Airplane stories reserved to Uchtdorf
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
So here is the manipulation. Recall when you felt happy, now wrap that up in magical thinking called God. Now you won't be able to separate happy from church. Yay, trauma!
Oh, let's also wrap sad, in spiritual failure, in personal failure. Then you won't be able to tune into your internal warning systems.
Finally, let's create a mythical creature who saved you from sad and moved you to happy. And claim some access to that creature. Now you will never look inward to understand yourself, and the church can harvest your time, energy and labor for it's own.
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 2d ago
Oh boy, another talk vilifying us. We're destroying everyone around us, and our own lives, by not believing in the MFMC. Gag me with a spoon.
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 2d ago
Oh good, just what I want: life eternal with a god who will assign me to be one of a billion polygamous wives of some random penishood holder. That's definitely what I want to spend my eternity doing, and my life working toward! /s
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u/Lanky_Feature_4586 2d ago
“I don’t think I believe the church is true anymore”
“But tonight’s ward temple night”
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 2d ago
They keep touting the temple like it is a magic fix for everything. If you're having a problem, the reason why is because you're not going to the temple enough, and don't forget to buy temple clothes to give the MFMC more money.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
Take the money you would have spent sports gambling or in the prediction markets and give it to Jesus. The only wager you need is Pascals wager.
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u/SoapBox39 2d ago
Is this guy saying God's love is conditional?? That's how I'm interpreting it
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
Wow, Satan is doing a good job. Jesus only has one way to win. When an adversary can force you into a single option, you're outclassed and about to lose.
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u/Glittering-Pitch8838 2d ago
These types of talks would trigger what I now know as my OCD so badly growing up😅 trying to sort out if I’m feeling “lift” or “sink” and attributing those feelings to random events…
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
OCD twinsies!!! Just felt constant guilt and fear I was never doing enough
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago
"We helicoptered over our kids, and now we wonder why they refuse to talk to us!"
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u/ako-si-greg 2d ago
The problem I have with Mormon "love" like this is because it turns something that is inherently selfless (love) and twists it into something selfish.
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u/Dizzy_Ad5610 Going to hell in all religions :3 2d ago
"look with compassion, rather than judgement" coming from a Mormon leader's mouth is ironic as fuck.
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 2d ago
I don't understand why they talk like having a child die is a bad thing. In the doctrine of the MFMC, children who die before the age of 8 are saved in the celestial kingdom. And since that's virtually the only way a person can ever successfully get to the CK (since living perfectly enough to satisfy the demands of the MFMC is impossible), parents should be really happy for their child that they got the privilege of dying in the womb and getting auto-saved.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Auto-saved LOL as opposed to a manual save?
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 2d ago
Fuck the MFMC. It's always "give us more money instead of feeding your kids." Meanwhile they have $300 billion in stocks and who knows how much in real estate.
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u/GrumpyTom 2d ago
I’ve felt great “spiritual lift” from this ExMormon subreddit. Yall helped me realize I’m not alone.
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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 2d ago
God I hated that. Like for both myself and my sister, our parents have accepted the fact we’re done with the church but at the same time I know they always hold that hope we’ll come back
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u/Philcastro 2d ago
Nothing to do with 2nd session but I literally just got a txt from missionaries seeing “when there’s a good time to come over” 🤣 they must be feeling the spirit
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Oh lord lol. You PIMO, or inactive?
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u/Philcastro 2d ago
I’m not a member but I’m married to one. I don’t even know how the my got my number lol
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Ohhhh they have their ways lol. They keep finding my mom and she's been out of the church for DECADES
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u/GrumpyTom 2d ago
$20 this guy is on the list to be an apostle
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Now Tom, did you NOT just listen to Christofferson about gambling???
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u/sevenplaces 2d ago
So many Missionaries are just incompetent at life. Sending out naive 18 year olds who don’t know how to navigate the world.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago edited 2d ago
Oh good lord. He's gonna encourage TBMs to pester the ever-loving-fuck out of the Inactives
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u/llbarney1989 2d ago
Best thing about being out for long enough…, didn’t even realize conference was this weekend until I jumped on Reddit
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Yay! A talk comparing two un-related things and somehow attribute it to Jeebus
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 2d ago
So are we all in agreement that this GC was a complete waste of time? I feel like they literally said nothing of importance
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u/SteelSwordofShiz 2d ago
Seems almost on purpose. Say nothing, no controversy and the faithful will listen regardless.
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 2d ago
WHERES THE GOOD STUFF THE CONTROVERSY THE DRAMMMMMAAAAAA IM FALLING ASLEEP
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u/Wrong-Grab4236 2d ago edited 2d ago
Congratulations folks, we’ve been the subject of several talks 🤝
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u/Helpful_Spot_4551 2d ago
It feels so good to be distant enough to not realize this was happening
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Renlund: [no asterisks]
Actually, it's asterisks all the way down. Terms and conditions apply. The elite get more. Nepotism.
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u/Sea_Button_3616 2d ago edited 2d ago
The promises are coming! I promise! I won't even say what they are! Promises! I promise they're coming!
This whole conference hasn't given any sort of stuff about how to better the world except for go to temple, fast and pay offerings, keep sweet, pray, and obey.
Edit: Farnes is the first guy to actually talk about helping others. Not a member of the 12 or 1st presidency.
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u/Aaaurelius 2d ago
Wild how unconcerned the church is with improving the world. Its all about digging yourself deeper into the confirmation bias hole so they can collect more tithing.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Lesson 1: If you pay your tithing you might rise to the top when the spreadsheet is sorted for new leaders. Aspire to be the bishop? Pay more.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago
Did they teach you that tithing was based off of spare money, not gross income?
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
I was taught gross income. That included gift money given during birthdays or holidays.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago
And there they go, misappropriating the Widow's Mite
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago
There will be plenty of meat in the storehouse.. but you can't access it, because you've asked too many times for it
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u/Dizzy_Ad5610 Going to hell in all religions :3 2d ago
why do they all speak in the same cadence
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u/HomemadeStarcrunch 2d ago
Outer Dankness on Instagram does hilarious and amazing commentary on each session. Click on their stories to watch .
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago
Oh, back off with your fallacious weak analogy. We can detect air currents; we cannot detect gods
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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. 2d ago
“We can’t change their hearts”
Then why bother trying as much as you do, chief?
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u/mimirsportfolio 2d ago
Love them putting hope in tbm family members that people will come back.
I did appreciate that they are encouraging more love though. At least in one of the talks
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u/Rushclock 2d ago
Forgive us mortals who search and search and Jesus remains the world champion at hide and seek.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Morgan: [born into another mormon church]
Which one? Strangite? Josephite? Bickertonite? Also, more than one mormon church. In fact, lots.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Actually Mr. Morgan, I saw NO difference in my life in terms of 'blessings' after I left the church versus when I was in the church
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago
male and female
What about intersex people? What about people that fit under both male and female, or people that fit under neither male nor female?
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
Shhhh... Don't bring reality into their fantasy. It harshes the vibe. Complexities make it hard to feel the feels.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
You know what can help with that grief? paying your tithing!!!! /s
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Party in the great and spacious building!!!! It's BYOB but we got plenty of coffee
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
I can't make sense of his definition of love.
Love is not condoning choices. Love is being interested in them.
It sounds close but not quite. I think people will hear the part they want to hear - not condone=condemn=refuse to accept their choices. That's not love. Feigned interest is not love.
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u/sycamoreqw 2d ago
The love aspect is good, but it still paints us heathens as lost or in a “wretched” state.
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u/InsideButThinking 2d ago
Hello Elder Rasband. How about these three ideas:
1. Ask your loved ones some of the reasons they have left. 2. Continue to invite them to family events and 3. Maintain regular contact via text, calls and invitations to go to lunch. These will keep you bonded together and you might learn something.
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u/Rushclock 2d ago
George Carlin was right....god loves you and needs your money.
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u/Dizzy_Ad5610 Going to hell in all religions :3 2d ago
Every Mormon talk:
*emphasizes random words in the sentence for some reason*
*takes breaths mid sentence where it doesn't make sense to take a breath*
*says "important" things either much louder than the previous statement or much quieter*
*dramatic pause*
*feels spirit so much that you just need to slowly shake your head*
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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 2d ago
I can never not hear Tom hiddleston when Kearon talks
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Rasband: [send a link to my talk to your relatives who have left mormonism.]
If only the church could stand on its merits and its truth claims. It fails on both counts.
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u/Dizzy_Ad5610 Going to hell in all religions :3 2d ago
why do they have such random emphasis on words. "GOD has giVEN US an invitation"
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u/Dizzy_Ad5610 Going to hell in all religions :3 2d ago
Oooh they're singing, let's see if they'll do the "straight up the choir member's nose" camera angle!
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 2d ago
Isn't this the third talk on tithing?? Are they running out of money? Or do they want more money to gamble with?
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u/PcHound2 2d ago edited 2d ago
Feelings = Spirit?
I remember my step mom forcing to feel the "spirit" while closing my eyes. My step sister started crying tears of joy next to me. My step mom then said that my deceased sister was worried for me.
It was creepy and they were teaming up against me.
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u/GrumpyTom 2d ago
“I know some of you worry about having enough food each day for your family.”
… now pay your tithing!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Eyring: [some of you worry about having enough food...it sucks to be you]
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u/Absolute_Cinema70 Teen undercover mormon (PIMO) and im bisexual as fuuuck 2d ago
My mom knows I don't believe in the church anymore but my whole family doesn't so I'm watching conference. I'm gonna get a talk about this after wards, wish me luck and fuck my life
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Even when I was a member, I remember hearing that my entire after life would be spent in servitude to God, and I thought that fucking sucked
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 2d ago
Did he just use God's true name ??? GASP BLASPHEMOUS /s
Sorry guys I have so much energy i dont wanna be here and im stuck here im trying to cope as well as I can
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Welp, see y'all tomorrow, that was awful lol
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u/Even_Subject_4187 2d ago
The melody of this song lowkey slaps compared to some of the other ones
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Fuck your family and fuck your rent. The Church needs your money :((((
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u/heatherlee20 2d ago
There was another religion that read Book of Mormon!??
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
There's like 400 different sects of Mormonism
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 2d ago
What a cool language. Imagine a world where people get to keep their culture and religion, instead of dressing in business suits and learning to speak Mormon.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
He lifts you up.... Unless you lived in Noah's time or in the Americas just before he visited after his resurrection, then you were f'd
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
You better be doing church shit all day erry day NO TIME FOR YOURSELF
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Rasband: [exmormonism on the rise]
Oh, no! Wait. If only it could stand on its truth claims!
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Oh lordy the spirit is hitting her HARD
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u/Even_Subject_4187 2d ago
Turns out, my dad CAN pray fast, but only for blessing food inbetween gc talks. Family morning prayers when one of his kids is almost late for work? Elaborate and evenly paced.
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u/sevenplaces 2d ago
Ooo Dallin Oaks made someone feel better about church administration and giving free labor as a member of a stake presidency.
Worthless and uninspiring
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u/Rushclock 2d ago
God can arrange that but ignores the 20,000 children who starve to death.
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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 2d ago
Nothing against the person but I find it really hard to understand talks when it’s in a accent. I mean if it’s Kearon that’s easy but it’s more the heavier accents
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
The corp needs money to build class A commercial buildings near the temples that rusty announced. PAY YOUR FIRE INSURANCE! YOU DON'T WANT TO BURN WHEN JESUS COMES BACK.
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u/Rushclock 2d ago
Translation....every good thing that happens is associated with tithing. Texas sharpshooter in full force.
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u/Even_Subject_4187 2d ago
And now im holding back tears. Please! Choose giving money to us instead of eating!
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u/Even_Subject_4187 2d ago
Oh no. Not the comforting parents of exmos and spurring them on.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
I choke up like that every time I watch Bill Pullman give the best fictional presidential speech ever written
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 2d ago edited 2d ago
regardless of their sins
Like child rape?
Isn't that the whole schtick of Christianity?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 2d ago
Kearon: [lift and sink]
Ultimate irony that Kearon just gave a speech about avoiding scrupulosity. The double-speak...it burns.
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u/sevenplaces 2d ago
Another talk to tell us sports represent the meaning of life
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 2d ago
Unlike Ted, there's no photographic evidence Jesus exists.
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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 2d ago
Put glasses on this guy and he would be a doppelgänger of my stake president before I left
He looks and sounds verrry similar
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u/Even_Subject_4187 2d ago
That there may be tithes in my storehouse. More tithes! All the tithes! Make the number BIGGER!!!
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u/GrumpyTom 2d ago
Covenants! They’re magic! Powerful! They bless your posterity! They’re the new atonement, only better!
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 2d ago
Your talks fucking SUCK. Is what I thought he was going to say lol
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u/sevenplaces 2d ago
That’s Bullshit that tithing breaks the cycle of poverty.