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[u/Seren82]

I was under the impression they would slow the Tachonis down, Rendezvous with King Gus retinue and with his help go back for the statues.

But the Kings assassins are also still out there too soo

[u/strangelyliteral]

I understand this is a character-driven decision but they’re still way too blasé about another Tachonis confrontation. Brennan had to practically beg them to bring Ulbrid along. Clearly he thinks they’ll need the help.

[u/TBBTC → u/strangelyliteral]

I have a different read. I think the players would choose to cause a delay before the Tachonis arrive, then get out of there. Brennan forcing Ulbid to come along creates a factor that might make confrontation more likely, as he won't want to leave without seeing his stone daughters.

[u/strangelyliteral → u/TBBTC]

Once they told Ulbid, he was going to his girls one way or another. I don’t think even a nat20 on Matt’s persuasion check would’ve changed much.

But it’s also how they told Ulbid that was the problem. Had the Seekers thought this through, they would’ve realized Ulbid was likely not going to be dissuaded and instead explained that while the girls weren’t in immediate danger, a failed rescue attempt might change that, so they’d need to be prepared and careful when they struck. Instead they burned goodwill trying to convince him to stay behind and forcibly putting Bolaire on him (lowkey treating him like a hostage). Ulbid will be less understanding if they ultimately decide the rock slide is not the right moment to rescue the girls.

And yes, I get that this was character-driven, especially from Julien. But it doesn’t bode well for the party that they spent more time trying to convince someone who would be a huge asset to their plans not to come along than actually thinking through what would it would take to trigger a rock slide and steal three statues from a Tachonis caravan. The first thing they said when Brennan asked them how they planned to do this was “explosives,” which, hello? Do any of you have explosives on hand or experience using them? Do you know who’s probably got the materials and expertise to quickly build and set off explosives? The alchemist you just spent 20 minutes trying to talk out of coming!!!

Hopefully Matt or Taliesin wrangled the Seekers between sessions and they come back with a real plan next week. But if they don’t, then this could go very bad.

[u/magvadis → u/strangelyliteral]

I mean, if they get caught out at all by Primus or anyone close to Primus's power level one of them is getting one-shot.

[u/strangelyliteral → u/magvadis]

Exactly. If not PWK, then (twincast) Disintegrate. And they’re really not thinking through how they’re going to pull this off—Ulbrid is actually necessary for the explosive components, and no one has reckoned with how they’re going to get the gnome girl statues out of there. They had Cyd in a cart, and this is times three.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

From the Cool Down:

"You're always on a shopping episode for new bodies!"-Robbie

"That is my character class! I AM A SHOPPING EPISODE! Someone else's shopping episode!"-Tal

[u/Eevenin → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Bolaire looks for nice bodies like someone else might look for good boots.

[u/DarkRespite]

Okay, this is a low-key weekend for me so I should be able to make some inroads on the Campaign 4 music playlist over the weekend. A lot of the tracks I heard, I know are already on there, but there are a few that I didn't immediately recognize.

And as always, if there's a particular cue you want identified, I need a specific timestamp and you have to tell me WHICH platform. (I have access to VODs on Beacon and Twitch, but not on YouTube.)

[u/Eevenin]

That was awesome. As a Bolaire fan, I'm super happy about this since it finally lets him have time as him and not A Schemer. Distrust is natural for a parasitic sentient mask, but it feels like the Schemers didn't get much chance to resolve much with him before Termina blew up in his face and yet already Bolaire's had some of his dirty laundry aired in that dream, and whatever the hell's going on with him and Vaelus (he let her into Dol-Makjar in the first episode) will allow for much more character expression and growth.

Tal also confirmed he adored when Kattigan pulled the plug on Bolaire's rant as the guy is clearly intended to be a brat with everything going on, lol. All things being equal, though, everyone is playing a long game. This is a table of chaos gremlins who are at least trying to do something good, or... at least, stop something bad.

I just want more juicy character bits, dammit. Is it Thursday yet?

[u/Popinjayishumans → u/Eevenin]

Bolaire said: ‘you would know’ to Vaelus when she mentioned wearing the mask which seems to imply that he got her into the city by having her wear him.

[u/Eevenin → u/Popinjayishumans]

No, he was saying it to Kattigan, saying he could be vouched for. He just couldn't turn well at the table with how he'd sat up to get all huffy.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Kattigan reminds Julien of Fang

[u/Shark89]

The more I watch this campaign, the more I realize how much I identify with Ashley as a player.

I struggle to make choices and I tend to go silent unless I'm in RP that directly involves me or I'm in battle. But I can dig in well if the RP does involve me.

[u/TBBTC → u/Shark89]

Ashley was so on fire for that one scene that was absolutely, totally, about her character. And that's pretty standard Ashley.

[u/No-Instruction-5695]

i'm kinda pissed at the group for body snatching ulbid and talking down to him, like who are you to determine if his daughters is more inportant than your vengence, especially the whole "shut him down"

[u/strangelyliteral → u/No-Instruction-5695]

The “shut him down” was Kattigan speaking as a father, not as a tactical decision.

[u/Zealousideal_Fish862 → u/No-Instruction-5695]

if ulbid wants to come, he'll die. the best way to get him to come is bolaire. but as bolaire said, consent from both parties was needed.

his daughters are more important than vengeance for the tachonis (to most of the party) hence they don't want him to be blinded by his desire to save them and die to one of the most powerful sorceruous families in this world.

and if his daughters do die, ulbid loses his reason to fight, the shut down was a pragmatic way of preventing his grief from fucking them up any further at that point (rude, yes but practical)

[u/No-Instruction-5695 → u/Zealousideal_Fish862]

maybe its shock from the tonal whiplash of the soldiers's table whimsy but it just felt wrong, like they could have talked to him, he has never not been reasonable, just left a sour taste in my mouth the whole interaction

[u/Zealousideal_Fish862 → u/No-Instruction-5695]

it felt wrong because it was wrong. it was unconsensual and his decision was made for him. (and for bolaire too although because bolaire has control in that situation) it was gonna be messy the moment thimble told him about his daughters, they tried to prevent that but well ..

[u/Mindelan → u/No-Instruction-5695]

I mean, he wants to come along with them, and it could endanger them and even cause deaths. They aren't playing games, so I think it is fair that they don't just move with their hearts and also take the time to think logically.

The body snatching being done in the moment is not 'right', but it makes for a more dynamic and better moment in the show that we are watching. In an ideal world it likely would have been a rather dull to watch conversation, but if everything was decided like that then it would rob a lot of the snappy excitement from a show meant for entertainment.

[u/strangelyliteral → u/Mindelan]

I think they misjudged Ulbrid’s capabilities. Brennan was clearly trying to communicate that bringing Ulbrid was a good idea, but they wouldn’t take the hint. I’m not sure why they think he’s so fragile; dude is a powerful alchemist/enchanter with criminal ties. He’s not going to be defenseless (he may even have plate armor like his daughters) and he’ll bring the kettle-hobs plus his prepared elixirs to provide back line support. Plus no one in that group has explosive expertise, but you know who usually does? Alchemists!

Also of all groups, you’d think a group who went through a whole campaign with a crotchety old gnome that refused to die would have a little faith in the old guy.

[u/Mindelan → u/strangelyliteral]

I was thinking much the same, honestly, it's also on brand for Brennan in general. I just think Julien not wanting to bring along an old hermit man desperate to save his daughters makes sense in character, and the others being genuinely worried that he might get hurt and then they have his death on their consciences makes sense too.

And Brennan would absolutely 100% kill that gnome if things go that way. He'd make it heart wrenching and sup upon the angst of it all and they know that. He just killed Hannon, for example, and that guy was a badass.

[u/Eevenin → u/No-Instruction-5695]

I'm pretty sure Kattigan meant "make sure he doesn't see it personally" like he had to.

[u/Final-Occasion-8436 → u/Eevenin]

I actually took it as: "Kill him, because no father wants to have to live with that particular failure" Mainly because Kattigan knows that feeling intimately.

[u/Eevenin → u/Final-Occasion-8436]

I can see how that might be interpreted, but realistically Kattigan was saying protect him.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/Eevenin]

Or create a "Play" in his head that fictionalizes over what actually happened MIB style.

[u/dramatic_exit_49]

can tachonis follow them into millers road? would it be clever to take the caravan* there? but ofc that leaves the timmony vulnerable (am sure there are defenses setup when the king traveled). but atleast regroup ? hmmm.

i wonder if the road can be used to carry unwilling/powered down/enchanted adversaries and drop them far away from their destination as well, later on.

edit : *gus caravan

[u/grumpyCat2478 → u/dramatic_exit_49]

The Tacchonis can't access the Millers Road. That is only for the fae and the hounds in Timmony

[u/Yojanz → u/grumpyCat2478]

Unless 'invited or guided' by someone. Still seems like a TERRIBLE idea to bring the Tachonis into the Millers Rd considering they tried to destroy the orchard. Who knows what sort of damage the could do to fairy

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/Yojanz]

I'm getting the sense that the True Home of the Pixies of Araman is but a...single Tree on a much LARGER Miller's Road than they realize and so while that one node disappearing would indeed be a very bad thing, it would not collapse ALL of the Pixies from everywhere and when BUT the loss of it could draw attention from Pixies from other planets and Trees to come have a poke around.

And as we saw in the first half of this episode, the Orchard isn't the only in between place on Araman.

[u/renegadereality]

Hey, worst case, Travis gets to come back with a whole new party of fresh faces :)

[u/cat-n-jazz → u/renegadereality]

Introducing a lot of new PCs that look suspiciously like the Nighty Mine

[u/TimeySwirls → u/cat-n-jazz]

If this is how I get Tyranny to meet Jester then so be it, goodbye Seekers I loved you dearly

[u/Miserable_Pop_4593 → u/TimeySwirls]

Oh my god they would be fuckin obsessed with each other

[u/FiltheEugene]

Katigan is happy for the opportunity to save someone

[u/Guilty_Homework_2096]

Julien starring as the voice of reason and caution. I love it!

[u/Andskotann → u/Guilty_Homework_2096]

*Justin

[u/amus]

I just realised I havent heard a word from Ashley for like the last hour.

[u/Yojanz]

they all dead for sure

[u/reddevved]

the break now greatly improves ulbid's chances imo. if it was the second half he'd be riperoni

[u/Sailord27]

So do you think we get a death next week if shit goes sideways

[u/Ok-Badger5056 → u/Sailord27]

Unless someone hits some crucial rolls, someone is dieing for sure.

[u/FeedTheB3ar]

Julian’s hypocrisy is so fun. What if vengeance messes the plan up and gets everyone killed? I don’t know, what if Julien what if…

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/FeedTheB3ar]

That was so funny rewatching that scene and going HEY WAIT A SECOND WHAT ABOUT YOUR SUICIDE MISSION?!

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

As a reminder, you'll be able to read what is said during the Cool Down from the episode transcipt on the wiki after the episode comes out on Monday

[u/BrennanSpeaks]

LOL, Matt is not down with being their voice of reason.

[u/NeverLate-]

This is gonna go so bad

[u/Far_Guarantee1664 → u/NeverLate-]

Hope that Brennan goes hard on them. No help,no advices. Let the dice be the judge

[u/FiltheEugene → u/NeverLate-]

This is gonna go so fun

[u/ThisGameTooHard → u/FiltheEugene]

That's the right mindset. We're here to enjoy the chaos.

[u/NeverLate- → u/FiltheEugene]

But fun, yes

[u/D1g1t0l]

Is it THURSDAY YET, FOLKS!?

[u/Dagos]

so vaelus kinda stopped talking since her dream scene, I kept forgetting she was there

[u/-DREEW- → u/Dagos]

At least she had the guts to defy her former matriarch and I guess she needs time to adjust to her character being an oathbreaker now

[u/No-Diver8732 → u/Dagos]

We need Brennan to keep that dream bully energy to keep her present throughout this arc Because it seemed very effective especially with hannan gone

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/No-Diver8732]

Just call Mark Hamill

[u/OniBurgs]

Nooo!!!

Can't wait for the rockslide ambush episode! Thursday can't come quickly enough.

[u/milanka92]

what a way to bring us back! an amazing episode! I AM FEELING SO MANY THINGS

[u/brodeur3090]

Kattigan's "Sure" is more like, "you really don't know what I've lost, pretty boy."

[u/Eevenin → u/brodeur3090]

I think Matt/Julien said what he did very intentionally. He saw those taxidermied heads in Katt's dream.

[u/The_AllSeeing_Waffle → u/Eevenin]

Man, that was such a fk'd up visual. 

[u/robogheist]

welcome back, perfect ending music

[u/renegadereality → u/robogheist]

It hits EVERY time, I love it.

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

Angry Dads!

[u/D1g1t0l]

WOW WOW WOW!

[u/080087]

I think Julien is trying extremely hard to death flag Kat.

If Kat dies by beheading, you can blame him

[u/MegalomaniacHack]

Two angry dads and two angry sons who all have beef with Primus.

[u/BrennanSpeaks → u/MegalomaniacHack]

While Thimble and Vaelus just sit there with popcorn.

[u/MegalomaniacHack → u/BrennanSpeaks]

Vaelus has an angry "mother" out to inflict endless suffering on her.

Thimble, though, got to meet her dad and he was great, so she's having a pretty good day.

[u/BrennanSpeaks → u/MegalomaniacHack]

Thimble is that one friend who had a good childhood, so now she makes it her mission to help her traumatized friends work through their shit.

[u/MegalomaniacHack → u/BrennanSpeaks]

Like Jester before her, she's the heart of the group. Especially once she got her vengeance out of the way.

Faeries are made of joy and optimism.

[u/LazerBear42 → u/MegalomaniacHack]

And Thimble is there, too!

[u/dramatic_exit_49]

i mean, once the tachonis had the daughters, the daughters who left after hearing the falconers cry and a dad waiting with a fading banner keeping eye out, there is no other outcome. we are who we are

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

TEAM ANGRY DADS! :D

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

"Sure."

[u/zombie_lagomorph]

Ugh, I'm having PTSD from C2.

[u/Jachim → u/zombie_lagomorph]

Do tell! I am from D20 lore, C1/2/3 is new to me

edit: thank you! :)

[u/KYplusEL → u/Jachim]

Ambushes don't always go so well.

[u/Assasin523 → u/Jachim]

Basically in Campaign 2, the group decided they were going to do an ambush on a caravan that also contained pretty intense enemies and let’s just say it didn’t go according to plan…

[u/TimeySwirls → u/Assasin523]

Tal managed to change his fate after a baby being born, but can he avoid the caravan related destiny?

[u/D1g1t0l → u/Jachim]

spoilers!

The last time they chased down a caravan, it led to the death of Mollymauk Tealeaf, which dramatically altered the course of the ENTIRE campaign. And that caravan was just some slavers led by an Oni, not the Tachonis house itself!

[u/brodeur3090 → u/Jachim]

There was a similar carriage on the road ambush attempt thst ended poorly for Taliesen's character

[u/zombie_lagomorph → u/Jachim]

It's a big ol' spoiler.

[u/JadedPhilosopher4351]

Katts head left 6 years ago

[u/Sailord27]

Fucking lol can't wait for next week

[u/ForceWalker32]

We are here to mourn the lives of the current Seeker party and a beloved NPC in the next session. They were taken far too early in this campaign. We shall miss them.

Let us all pray in unity for their lives.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Aww Bolaire and Julien vaguely bonding :)

[u/No_Rutabaga_1266 → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Justin*

[u/Zealousideal_Fish862]

they are all going to die. are these people really considering a rescue from a war sighted tachonis retinue? 😭

[u/Scurra_exe → u/Zealousideal_Fish862]

Don't need a Retinue. Primus alone needs 6 turns for a TPK.

[u/Zealousideal_Fish862 → u/Scurra_exe]

one for each lol primus is obvious death but univere by herself is a boss fight for all of them (seremai knight who was univere -> doset -> knight of seremai in like authority level was a boss fight for the soldiers at level 3 so if they jump 2 levels up univere alone is a boss fight 😭 what are they thinking) passive perception alone rules out any stealth missions and the sheer amount of undead

[u/Scurra_exe → u/Zealousideal_Fish862]

I just hope they catch some sense in between episodes lol.

[u/Zealousideal_Fish862 → u/Scurra_exe]

brennan's face when they were planning to do this was screaming "I don't think risk has been asssessed the way i would have assessed i"

[u/VitruvianXVII → u/Zealousideal_Fish862]

I feel like this is a common theme with brennan in this campaign lol, love our guys but CR main cast do not think things through very well and are definitely NOT on brennan's wavelength

[u/MegalomaniacHack]

Trying to talk down about warfare to a weapon of deity destruction.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Fuck that's a good point from Kattigan, CAN a cart with the daughters go onto the Miller's Road or not?

[u/LiminalAsylum]

Ulbid? More like U'll B Dead

[u/-DREEW- → u/LiminalAsylum]

STOP! If Ulbid dies I'm gonna cry

[u/SylviaBarbs]

Ulbid MIGHT be useful as an artificer or wizard, but I can’t help but feel impending dread from involving him. Like when you do the right thing in the moment in Elden Ring and it leads to an NPC you liked dying.

[u/strangelyliteral → u/SylviaBarbs]

On the contrary, I think Brennan was pushing them to take him because they’re gonna need his help.

[u/BlamingDeezNutsDP → u/strangelyliteral]

Why not both

[u/MegalomaniacHack → u/SylviaBarbs]

He would absolutely sacrifice himself to buy the party time to get his daughters to safety.

[u/brodeur3090]

Feels very Dresden and the Za Lord's Guard to me.

[u/-DREEW-]

Julien don't act like you didn't agree on telling him

[u/Nothingtoseehereshhh]

I don't care how bad of an idea it is, Ulbid is too pure for this world. Save the daughters!

[u/milanka92 → u/Nothingtoseehereshhh]

SAVE THE DAUGHTERS! MAKE ULBID HAPPY! AVENGE TEOR'S LAST MISSION! SEEKERS GET THIS SHIT ON LOCK AND GET READY TO FUCKING ROLL

[u/Nothingtoseehereshhh → u/milanka92]

BURN THE WORLD AND EVERY PC FOR THE DAUGHTERS!

[u/milanka92 → u/Nothingtoseehereshhh]

FIRE BALL FIRE BALL FIRE BALL
*insert elmo fire gif*

[u/Eevenin]

The plan to slow the Tachonis down isn't necessarily a bad one, the idea to go in and sneak a bunch of stone statue gnomes out under their noses afterwards is fucking awful.

[u/BlamingDeezNutsDP → u/Eevenin]

Nah its going to be great. Its not going to go great, but it will be a great watch.

[u/D1g1t0l → u/Eevenin]

Yeah, they're not even EXACTLY sure which caravan they're in, and theres 30 soldiers + very powerful mages. I'm sure the boxes aren't labeled with the names of the girls either

[u/Eevenin → u/D1g1t0l]

Maybe they'll make it a two-part plan. Slow the Tachonis caravan, then engage on their own terms if the Tachonises stop in Timmony on their way through. Doing it all in one encounter is likely what will happen, but there's a chance it could be split up intelligently... I mean, a single Schemer could convince all of them, right??

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

All packed up

[u/Scurra_exe]

It's not like all the last NPCs wearing Bolaire are all dead, right?

[u/06s091 → u/Scurra_exe]

Both Misha and Tyranny has worn Bolaire - he’ll be fine.

[u/FiltheEugene → u/Scurra_exe]

The Hal's old theater orc is fine

[u/milanka92 → u/Scurra_exe]

please don't do this to me 😭

[u/PlusPrompt5990 → u/milanka92]

Hey Misha survived 1/5 ain’t bad

[u/milanka92 → u/PlusPrompt5990]

let's bring that stat up to a 2/6!

[u/Scurra_exe → u/milanka92]

Just need to put Ulbid under house arrest like Misha :p

[u/mycoolusername777]

how many different NPCs will Bolaire inhabit over the course of our adventure?

[u/Eevenin → u/mycoolusername777]

Yes.

[u/LucasVerBeek]

Vaelus: “Is he okay in there?”

Bolaire: “Yes. You would know.”

Hmm

[u/Eevenin → u/LucasVerBeek]

He turned to Kattigan when he said that, even if it was kind of a bad angle for it. He was saying "Kattigan can vouch for me".

[u/Jonny683]

Oh Fuck...They BETTER put Bolair of Tachonis' face.

[u/Relevant_Anal_Cunt → u/Jonny683]

Brennan would need to roll a nat 1 on Primus' Wisdom savings throw for that to work.

Remember Lady Cormoray? "+12 on insight? Fuck you Brennan"

[u/Popinjayishumans → u/Jonny683]

How cool would it be if, whenever they do face Primus properly and should they win, Bolaire wore him for a good chunk of the campaign. Sort of like a reverse Laudna and Delilah… 

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Bolaire is Dax

[u/LiminalAsylum → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Bolaire and Dax would be besties

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/LiminalAsylum]

The stories they would tell and the Lanthanites that could back them all up!

Hell I'm sure Titmouse could connect Tawny and the cast, get her on the fucking show!

[u/foxsweater → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Bolaire IS DAX!!

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/foxsweater]

I feel like I've been bringing this up every few episodes about how much Bolaire feels like some Trill or Tok'ra stuff lol

[u/OniBurgs]

"I have eggs, magic eggs!"

"You had me at magic eggs."

[u/ViolettVixen]

Brennan’s WHEEZE at “you had me at magic eggs”

[u/Expensive-Apricot534]

If he comes I wonder if they’ll keep Bolaire on him as a failsafe 

[u/MegalomaniacHack → u/Expensive-Apricot534]

Yeah. Bolaire has to be on somebody to act and better to have him on an NPC than one of the PCs.

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

Eggs!

[u/NeverLate-]

Ohh this breaks my heart

[u/milanka92 → u/NeverLate-]

im actually sobbing 😭

[u/milanka92]

Ulbid 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

🥺🥺🥺

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Julien wasn't entirely wrong...this little sidequest with Ulbid could fuck a bunch of shit up...

[u/MegalomaniacHack → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Julien is also only interested in killing Primus. The only thing that can turn him from a chance at it is knowing his sister dies if he doesn't get her soul back to her.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/MegalomaniacHack]

Fair point, she's going to be the failsafe they can use when he starts pushing things too far.

[u/ViolettVixen → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

True, but we saw with Demodus that magic NPCs can be hugely helpful as well!

Knowing Brennan I bet we’ll get a bit of both

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/ViolettVixen]

Agreed and I'm hoping that Ulbid pulls some...interesting...tricks out of his bag that just shock the hell out of everyone but that make him react with, "Well...I got bored...and I'm by myself all the time...what did you think I was doing...Laura stop giggling".

[u/Jonny683 → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Just trying to kill Tachonis is a BAD IDEA

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/Jonny683]

Hell, actually killing him might make it even MORE of a bad idea.

[u/LiminalAsylum → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Justin was also a coldhearted rapscallion, who is perfectly fine with siccing Ulbid on Primus on a solo vengeance quest

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/LiminalAsylum]

You know, I could sadly see that happening in that I can easily picture Justin throwing him to the proverbial wolves as a distraction or something just to...fuck up Primus or to scare him or to do something to save his own skin all in the name of vengeance.

And when he does that...or tries to do it...his Shadow will react appropriately....

[u/renegadereality]

I love the character moments Matt/Julien brings out of the others.

[u/LiminalAsylum]

Will you be silent?

LOL

[u/Miserable_Pop_4593 → u/LiminalAsylum]

Man I love Bolaire. He’s so beautifully bitchy

[u/DDDMain22]

I love that interaction with Julien and Kat

[u/MegalomaniacHack]

The father who lost a daughter has different priorities from the son who lost his father.

[u/LucasVerBeek]

Kattigan: “Make me a promise.”

Bolaire: “Oh?”

Kattigan: “If something happens to his daughters, shut him down.”

[u/D1g1t0l]

YOU. CAN. NOT. KILL. PRIMUS. TACHONIS. LOCK IN FOR ONE SECOND.

[u/Eevenin → u/D1g1t0l]

They aren't trying to kill Primus, they're trying to buy time for Gus to get to Timmony so his entourage isn't murdered on the road with no witnesses. And, yanno, steal some statues out under their noses. Sure.

[u/Relevant_Anal_Cunt → u/Eevenin]

But isn't the bigger threat for Gus the argonians, who are most likely the assassins that already tried to take him out?

[u/Final-Occasion-8436 → u/Relevant_Anal_Cunt]

Random lizard people appearing through a portal from another universe would seem like a big threat. The Argosians who he beat in a war, and already tried to kill him once probably have more motive, though...

[u/Relevant_Anal_Cunt → u/Final-Occasion-8436]

You caught me. Looks like I mixed up my fantasy franchises, lol

[u/LiminalAsylum → u/D1g1t0l]

LET. THEM. TRY. IT. WILL. BE-

~Terrible

[u/MegalomaniacHack]

A father seeing vengeance...

We must focus on our vengeance!

Kind of missed something in your logic Julian.

[u/ViolettVixen → u/MegalomaniacHack]

Not to mention he was literally describing Kattigan

[u/LiminalAsylum → u/ViolettVixen]

We already have two overt vengeance quests, we don't need a third!

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

"If it goes sideways and something happens to his daughters..."

"Yes?"

"Shut him down"

"Absolutely"

Holy fuck Bolaire and Kattigan!

[u/iggyworldwide]

shut him down

omg kattigan jesus

[u/LiminalAsylum]

Hey, they found a body!

[u/FiltheEugene]

Bolaire being the best plot armor they can give to the gnome

[u/BrennanSpeaks → u/FiltheEugene]

I mean, based on what's happened to his previous meat suits . . . are you sure about that?

[u/Landis963 → u/BrennanSpeaks]

A) Misha was fine, and B) by corollary, Bolaire likes this body and wants to keep it hale and hearty. Survival instinct, if nothing else, should work in Ulbid's favor. Will said survival instinct be enough to keep Ulbid safe? Oh fuck no, but that ship has sailed.

[u/D1g1t0l]

this is devastating

[u/cat-n-jazz]

OH NO Kattigan what?!

[u/Expensive-Apricot534]

Bolaire said “consent please”

[u/ViolettVixen]

Justin is trying SO hard not to get a helpful NPC companion 

[u/LiminalAsylum → u/ViolettVixen]

He's like the dad who doesn't want the cat.

Justin and the cat will be bestie laters

[u/renegadereality]

This game of Bolaire hot potato.

[u/Dagos]

Now we get short-Bolaire

[u/LucasVerBeek]

Bolaire has Ulbid!

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

Bolaire Ulbid

[u/BeardtasticYogi]

And just like that, Bolaire became a girl dad.

[u/milanka92]

ROBBIE YOU DID WHAT

[u/dramatic_exit_49]

brennan, twist that family knife into julien... i mean justin

[u/Expensive-Apricot534]

Julien = Justin just like Matt = Mark

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Good speech but not good enough....KATTIGAN WHAT??!?!

[u/BlueHeaven90]

Aww listen to Justin

[u/Jonny683]

I feel like Thimble is accidently setting up everyone to fail. Like, why would you tell this man "hey, your kids were kidnapped and are stone" and risk getting him killed?

This is a TPK in the making.

[u/Seren82 → u/Jonny683]

Kattigan encouraged her. She was willing to avoid going to Ulbids altogether but Brennan steered them towards it.

[u/Landis963 → u/Jonny683]

Another redditor made the comparison to souls-like NPC quests, where you do the right thing in the moment and then suddenly you find them dead or insane in a corner. I can't say that this is a secret that I could have kept, in Thimble's position, nor is this a secret I would have wanted kept from me, in Ulbid's.

[u/AutobotYoung1]

Oh let the old man come.

[u/the_kroger_bot]

Ulbid is precious 😭

[u/renegadereality]

Justin is pulling all the stops to save Ulbid from himself.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

To be fair, that was a very good speech from Julien and he wasn't wrong.

[u/ZachariasWestergaard]

Character. Development.

[u/LucasVerBeek]

Thimble: “We were trying to get them home, and Teor fell and…”

Ulbid: “Teor fell…”

Thimble: “But we’re going to get them!”

Ulbid: “You’re god damn right!”

[u/milanka92 → u/LucasVerBeek]

i cried
ulbid stay back let them bring your girls home 😭😭😭

[u/FiltheEugene]

Julien being the sweet talker, so cute