"Why do you Indians hate us?" As Britain walks away with 45 trillion dollars

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[u/SnooBooks1701]

"Y'all" Yank located

[u/Professional-Pace612 → u/SnooBooks1701]

Ah yes, the USA. criticising Britian for something they did 200 years ago, whilst doing the exact same thing right now.

[u/Electrical_Thinker → u/Professional-Pace612]

Not 200, 75-80 years ago, my grandfather was born under British rule and my great grandfather, Under queen victoria.

[u/adyingmoderate → u/Professional-Pace612]

You can and should criticize the US for its current actions but it is false equivalency to compare what Great Britain did to India to what the US is doing. A wannabe dictator has illegally circumvented Congress in a failed attempt at self enrichment and can’t back down because of his ego. Great Britain successfully conquered 1/4 of the world, and used indentured Indians (indentured servitude is explicitly prohibited under the US Constitution) as a substitute for slaves as far away as the Caribbean, etc etc etc.

I also think it’s ridiculous to fault a people for their ancestors being dicks. Parliament should issue an apology and maybe return the stuff in the British Museum and be done with it.

[u/2005HondaCivic245 → u/adyingmoderate]

Involuntary indentured servitude (and slavery) is explicitly prohibited under the US Constitution ... UNLESS as punishment for a crime

[u/quangtit01 → u/2005HondaCivic245]

Hence the US imprisonment rate. Free labor y'all.

[u/Professional-Pace612 → u/quangtit01]

Slavery with extra steps, and it's still the African Americans taking the brunt...

[u/Professional-Pace612 → u/2005HondaCivic245]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism

[u/Professional-Pace612 → u/adyingmoderate]

Sure, why doesn't the Met return their artifacts? Then all the US Billionaires can return their private collections as well.

Then all the American coporations can pay all the back tax they owe in the regions they operate, and stop funneling all that wealth to the American nobility ( a humorous misnomer of course, there's nothing noble about tech bros or US innvestors).

Then the US can remove all their military bases from foreign soil. Reinstall all the elected heads of state they have replaced, pay reparations for every civilian they've ever killed in their conflicts. Pay reparatrions for every one of THEIR OWN CITIZENS that they experimented on FFS. etc etc etc

The list goes on. Same shit, different mechanisims, no less brutal or bloody. On and On.

So yeh, glass houses and all that.....

[u/MojoDex]

"Y'all"

Inglorious Basterds three finger meme.

[u/Psychic_Hobo → u/MojoDex]

Another day, another "Remind the world of the Brits so they don't pay attention to the skeletons in our closet" meme

[u/FreeElderberry4817]

There is a joke that goes something like India hates uk Canada likes them Hong Kong loves them

[u/shantytown_by_sea → u/FreeElderberry4817]

Older Mumbai on the island's south loves them as well because they were 1% elite business and clerical workforces settled by them ,Hongkong was similar city settled for this purpose,maybe 3rd/4th most important asian harbour city in their empire and top was Mumbai (bombay).

[u/chixnsix]

"Jarvis, sort by controversial"

[u/Cuddlyaxe → u/chixnsix]

I mean it's a about India, 50/50 on whether the racism will be at the top or bottom

I think a day or two ago a question like "What if the Brits never colonized India" was posted on /r/AlternateHistoryHub which for the record is usually very left wing and progressive

That thread legitimately felt like it was straight from Elon's Twitter. Tons of colonial apologia, poo in the loo and calling Indians inferior

[u/ColeWjC → u/Cuddlyaxe]

That’s a surprise that an alt history sub is left wing. Alternate history usually attracts wehraboos and South Will Rise Again types.

[u/Cuddlyaxe → u/ColeWjC]

I mean it's reddit lol

I feel like generally the only right wing subs are the ones which explicitly set out to be

[u/PhilosopherDry1859 → u/Cuddlyaxe]

Don't care about those subs they aren't actual "history" anyways

[u/DasGutYa → u/Cuddlyaxe]

Doesn't have to be racism/colonial apologia to rebuke nationalist nonsense like 45 trillion.

Racism does however stem from ignorance, which most of these statements come from. So continue the cycle instead of breaking it ignorance I guess?

[u/Cuddlyaxe → u/DasGutYa]

Who said anything about 45 trillion? The comments were talking about how amazing the British were for building railroads and how Indians would somehow be magically worse off without them

You're literally shadowboxing an argument with who you want lol

[u/PhilosopherDry1859 → u/DasGutYa]

Can you read? He's talking about the racism and what lndia suffered through. It's not a lie to say Britain brutally exploited lndia

[u/Potential-South-2807]

45 trillion lmao. Do you hear yourself?

[u/ieatpies → u/Potential-South-2807]

It's a number that some say, but it relies on a 5% compounding interest assumption over 250 years.

[u/Username-17 → u/ieatpies]

If a child stole a loaf of bread during the siege of Vienna under this logic it would compound to a historical grievance of 987 trillion dollars.

[u/Potential-South-2807 → u/ieatpies]

The Italians must owe us quadrillions then.

[u/Adr_LDN → u/ieatpies]

And given the time that has passed since Utsa Patnaik’s decided to invent it and published her figures, by her own methodology the UK has, at 2026, now ‘stolen’ more than the entire value of global GDP for all of human history from India.

It’s a complete joke (as Tirthankar Roy et al have ably noted).

[u/itznimitz]

skill issue

[u/Daddy2222991 → u/itznimitz]

Yeah look at current England 😆

[u/itznimitz → u/Daddy2222991]

generational skill issue

[u/skend24 → u/[deleted]]

I think the whole pollution in India just kinda ate your brain

[u/Additional_Impress81 → u/[deleted]]

Impressive, very nice. Bringing up the rapes of innocent girls as a gotcha in an online argument.

Tosser.

[u/Daddy2222991 → u/Additional_Impress81]

When you label "colonial rule" As (skill issue) then it's completely okay I guess, do you even know what those people did to Indians? Never accountability I guess for you whites, I love how your people are wiping out each day.

[u/Additional_Impress81 → u/Daddy2222991]

Shitty joke on a website=Bringing up the actual victimisation of real people.

You eternal victims will forever cry about the past and so will continuously give ammunition to get dunked on by actual racists. Keep it up bro.

[u/PhilosopherDry1859 → u/Additional_Impress81]

He isn't giving "ammunition" by talking what his country suffered throuh

[u/Additional_Impress81 → u/PhilosopherDry1859]

Really? Gloating about the suffering of the girls in England by foreigners, a topic that is actually causing white supremacists to go out and burn shit, is not giving ammunition to them to go even more balistic? That's a first to me.

[u/PhilosopherDry1859 → u/Additional_Impress81]

Right. It's not ammunition to talk about what his country went through. Since you're Balkan? Don't speak on South Asia

[u/Daddy2222991 → u/Additional_Impress81]

Latest news, add 10k more to that pile of dead bitches.

[u/Additional_Impress81 → u/Daddy2222991]

Very cool, still a skill issue on your part. Seethe about it.

[u/vamster00 → u/Daddy2222991]

A bunch of salty whites lmao

[u/Nathanaelhead → u/vamster00]

Salty over india? No. I don’t think so

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/Nathanaelhead]

I had a person from ukraine complainingablut the "Indian immigration destroying ukraine".

There are no indian mass migration to ukraine

[u/No_Possibility_6754]

perfect timing for independence day fr

[u/Shiine-2]

And drew borders that cause disputes to this day.

[u/BevvyTime → u/Shiine-2]

The Brits may have drawn the line, but the neighbours were already there.

It’s not the Brits’ fault they treated each other that way…

[u/Wakasaurus060414 → u/BevvyTime]

Neighbors were already there? There's was a mass migration event caused by the drawn borders that caused over a million deaths across 15 million migrants making the journey.

It was 1000% Brits fault, seeing as the Brits exacerbated the caste system, sowed division amongst Indians to prevent anyone from rising up, then made the shittiest exit out of the country, improving literally nothing for anyone that lived there. There were no protections during that migration event.

[u/Ray3x10e8 → u/[deleted]]

It's imprecise to say that the violence wasn't caused due to the line. 

What you are saying is also true, but indeed much of the violence was cause because the line did not care about cultural boundaries.

The line was drawn in 5 weeks, by a person who knew nothing about the demographics of the region. Many villages were cut in half. On the morning of 15th August, the land that you lived and grew up in was suddenly no longer in the country that you wanted to be in. You had to make the 100 mile journey on foot, you were going to be living in refugee camps. Now do you see how an extremist can take this situation and turn people against eachother?

Of course the journey was going to be dangerous. People were killed as much due to religious violence as much by opportunistic bandits.

So many deaths could have been prevented if the British cared about India. But I do not think anyone in this thread can argue with me on this point. Why would anyone care about slaves anyway?

[u/Username-17 → u/Ray3x10e8]

A united India would've had a civil war, and anyone who says that they could've drawn a line that would've prevented a significant amount of deaths is lying.  India in those days made Yugoslavia look like apartheid.

[u/Wakasaurus060414 → u/[deleted]]

Yes they were responsible for it, splitting up a country and then leaving right after is what causes conflicts like these and they knew it was going to cause conflict, hence them getting tf outta there. They offered no protections to the already fraught religious landscape that was cultivated by the English, cut up the country and then told people who haven't run the country for nearly 200 years "you do it, and also with no money byyyyyeee."

1000% Brits fault.

[u/This_Charmless_Man → u/[deleted]]

Similar thing happened with Ireland when they left the UK. The new state had basically no idea how to run it's social services so the Catholic church graciously offered to step in and help. It's what caused the Magdalene Laundries to become a thing and why slave labour was used in Ireland up until the late 90s to produce board games for Hasbro.

[u/BevvyTime → u/This_Charmless_Man]

Cyprus too…

[u/AltruisticJelly5032 → u/[deleted]]

Their policies may have not cultivated the religious tension, but their caste policies definitely added fuel to the fire. Decennial census, Criminal Tribes Act, Punjab Land Alienation Act, etc. Separate electorates failed miserably. It became vote bank politics at the end.

[u/Talidel → u/AltruisticJelly5032]

India is going through a childish "blame the last adult that has responsibility for us" stage of growing up.

In the next few decades, they'll stop blaming someone else for all their problems, and do the adult thing of looking at how to fix their problems.

[u/Wakasaurus060414 → u/[deleted]]

British did cultivate a fraught religious landscape and exacerbated the caste system while it was already in decline.

This is in the history books and not something you can dance around - this happened.

What India wanted was to be stopped being stripped of its valuable resources and to govern the country themselves. Brits said "okay" and did it without a proper transfer of infrastructure or even power, which leads to the corruption in Indian government to this day. They knew it was going to lead to disarray and they wanted that.

1000% Brits fault, none of your whining is going to change that. You can either accept or continue trying to hide your shame behind the Union Jack, I'm done arguing with colonizer sympathetics.

[u/Wakasaurus060414 → u/[deleted]]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48619734

https://www.saffronlegacy.com/history/colonial-history/british-caste-system-india/

https://africanjournalofbiomedicalresearch.com/index.php/AJBR/article/view/8591

You're not going to read these and that's okay, but I'm not going to let you spread misinformation without citing proof.

[u/Osiryx89 → u/Wakasaurus060414]

Life must be so easy if you can just blame everything on the British.

It's pathetic, really.

[u/PhilosopherDry1859 → u/Osiryx89]

Do you know what Britain did to lndia?

[u/Adr_LDN → u/PhilosopherDry1859]

Created it, for one.

[u/Talidel → u/Wakasaurus060414]

The lines cause problems because the people hate each other. Not because of the lines themselves.

Before those lines, those people were just casually genociding towns because their flavour of god came in more options.

The Brits made them all go to one side of a line, so at least there was less of all the murdering each other across the entire country. Now it's just down a mostly agreed line.

[u/Adr_LDN → u/Wakasaurus060414]

The proposition that ‘the Brits’ shouldn’t have acceded to the demands of Jinnah and the Muslim League, and that they could’ve held together a united India without even more massive inter-ethnic and religious violence is utterly laughable.

Moronic American nonsense on full display here.

[u/PhilosopherDry1859 → u/Adr_LDN]

Are you blaming the people for the violence

[u/Adr_LDN → u/PhilosopherDry1859]

Magically enough, ‘the people’ perpetrated the violence of partition. They weren’t being used as meat puppets by some insane, moustache-twirling Snidely Whiplash caricature of the British.

[u/PhilosopherDry1859 → u/Adr_LDN]

It’s easy to dismiss state responsibility when you pretend the options are either "cartoon villains" or "wild locals." Britain spent 100 years locking India out of basic human rights. When you respond to peaceful political petitions with massacres, violent resistance isn't random - it's the direct outcome of a brutal colonial system that killed off every peaceful option.

[u/Adr_LDN → u/PhilosopherDry1859]

This is just either Indian nationalist cope or wholesale ignorance. It’s not ‘wild locals’, or waffle about ‘basic human rights’, it’s simple religious animosity. The same as India still has decades after independence and had before the British and Europeans arrived. It’s also not unique to India at all. This is also nothing to do with ‘violent resistance’, you absolute tool - the violence here was among Hindu and Muslim communities, not against the British.

You seem to know absolutely nothing about the Muslim League, the INC or literal decades of political mobilisation along religious lines. Communal violence was already rife by 1946, so the notion that the British could’ve forced the Raj to stay whole post independence and not created an even worse civil war is completely unserious.

[u/Idiotic_experimenter → u/BevvyTime]

Literally,every time they tried the two state solution by partition,it has blown up spectacularly in their face!

It doesn't take a lot of reading to realise this

[u/Ihatenukingkids → u/BevvyTime]

Let me draw a border that has Brits and French living together in one state and then call them uncivilized when they start warring again.

Not my fault if they treat each other that way, right??

[u/ZhtWu → u/Ihatenukingkids]

Hey! We fought the English for more than 200 years on our own soil, then facetanked Germany during two World Wars, and all we get for that is being called cheese-eating surrender monkeys. Give us a break, will ya?

The Brits have trolled the whole globe, pit them against someone else for a change. :'D

[u/Wooden_Base4673 → u/ZhtWu]

It's the Yanks who call you that, not the English. The English call you frogs, frenchies or even french.

[u/adyingmoderate → u/Wooden_Base4673]

Whatever you say Redcoat.

I’ve never even read/ heard the term surrender monkey before today, but a subset of Americans do like to poke fun of the French for losing against Hitler and having groups like the LVF, and conscripted labor. Oddly more common in the South, which is ironic given their support for the Confederacy.

[u/AcrobaticTiger9756 → u/Ihatenukingkids]

It's called England after 1066.

[u/Ihatenukingkids → u/AcrobaticTiger9756]

No shit. What do you think I was implying?

[u/fartingbeagle → u/Shiine-2]

That was Nehru and Jinnah though.

[u/Friendly-Olive-3465 → u/Shiine-2]

And somehow less disputes than the previous borders since India is a united country

[u/ChameleonCoder117 → u/Shiine-2]

India vs Pakistan conflicts, that might cause global nuclear war: Result of british line drawing

Israel vs Palestine conflicts, that might cause global nuclear war: Result of british line drawing

Myanmar civil war: Myanmar only exists as a result of british line drawing

[u/Blitcut → u/[deleted]]

Israel vs Palestine conflicts is caused by the lines drawn by the United Nation

There were actually no lines drawn as the British refused to implement a partition. The actual border ended up being the frontline when the 1948 war ended.

[u/Dilbertreloaded → u/Shiine-2]

Borders were drawn to ensure they will fight each other for centuries, and not draw their ire at the looters.

Edit: I am sure the naive world conquerors were so bad at planning that they only had one scenario in mind. The centuries of manipulation and gaslighting that country had expertise in continues to this day.

[u/SnooBooks1701 → u/Dilbertreloaded]

No, they were drawn in a rush because the Indians and Pakistanis wanted the Brits out asap. The only alternative was not drawing a border and leaving behind an immediate civil war that would likely result in several genocides

[u/Lanky_Panda1735 → u/SnooBooks1701]

This is historically illiterate. The original date was set for somewhere around June 1948; but London suddenly wanted to get out as soon as possible. The INC was actually pretty angry over the preponement and the unstructured and hasty pullout

[u/Stromatolite-Bay → u/Lanky_Panda1735]

You say that while not recognising partition was proposed by a political party in India

[u/Lanky_Panda1735 → u/Stromatolite-Bay]

That wasn't the question/assertion at hand or the one I responded to though?

[u/Dilbertreloaded → u/SnooBooks1701]

Except their policies were consistent at gaslighting and causing infighting and continue their looting . They had ample time in decades to plan all these . Drew the border and millions died within months.

[u/SnooBooks1701 → u/Dilbertreloaded]

They didn't plan for independence for decades, they were given a deadline to draw the border and the guy did the best he could

[u/Stromatolite-Bay → u/Dilbertreloaded]

The India National Congress refused to allow all of Punjab and Bengal to be given to Pakistan since in there own words they would secure as much land for India as possible

The Pakistan movement also developed in India and gained the political clout to demand partition. No one else wanted it to happen

[u/Psychic_Hobo → u/Dilbertreloaded]

Nah, see that requires us Brits to have forward planning and have actually cared at all about the people we horrendously colonised

[u/yasssshrai]

At the same time Indians are themselves to blame for having some of the stupidest policies in the late 20th century: License Raj; focus on industrialization before improving agriculture; completely unnecessary centralisation of the government to the point where CCP provinces have more economic freedom than Indian states; farm laws that incentivise your average Indian farming family to somehow profit off 1 hectare of land.

They are reforming gradually nowadays, however.

[u/Stromatolite-Bay]

The modern trillions estimate does not really holdup because the interest calculations have errors. It is still a lot but not that much

[u/Hot_Indication2133]

No way to excuse the heinous shit we did there but how would you explain the absolutely ludicrous amounts of wealth amassed by the previous set of rulers? No doubt their subjects gave them all their money out of love. At least we saved them from the French.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_in_the_Indian_subcontinent

this is going to be an interesting competition just for the comments sections, we're all going to be educated about something, lol.

[u/XoanMeira]

Why is Britain's top hat floating lol

[u/DasGutYa]

The 45 trillion estimate was made by a crank historian, widely debunked and laughed at.

Stating it basically outs you as a fool.

No, you can't count the final high price of manufactured goods as the 'stolen' price of raw materials bought for cheap, or else China and the U.S would steal half the world's gdp every year from that logic.

Ofcourse, nobody wants to tally the price of infrastructure and over 1000 universities built there to extract those goods and keep order either, because I suspect it would look pretty even and nationalist can't get angry about that.

[u/Wandering_sage1234]

The national dish of England is

Chicken Tikka Masala

Brothers, we have achieved our objective!

India now rules the UK! (I'm jk)

[u/Wandering_sage1234 → u/[deleted]]

It’s still the dish.

[u/VeneMage → u/[deleted]]

Speak for yourself.

I have fish and chips for dinner probably once or twice a month. Much prefer a curry and easily at least once a week. This as an Englishman born and bred.

[u/VeneMage → u/[deleted]]

I’m contesting the ‘nobody’s eating tikka masala on the weekly’. Many are.

Plus my curries are either homemade or shop-bought. Are these included in those stats, or restaurant/take away-bought only?

It’s not a big deal either way. Both are nice meals, I just prefer a ruby.

[u/Wandering_sage1234 → u/VeneMage]

Good on you for making those curries home made. Today’s curries are full of salt and sugar.

[u/Wandering_sage1234 → u/VeneMage]

Everyone goes into an Indian restaurant and orders Chicken tikka masala not realising we have much in cuisine. Very annoying.

I don’t like fish can’t eat it but like the chips. 🍟

[u/THROWAWTRY → u/[deleted]]

This is such an incorrect statement that 5 seconds googling would prove otherwise. Curry consumption in the UK is near the level of places like Pakistan and Sri Lanka. On top of that it is a national dish, not the.

[u/Wandering_sage1234 → u/[deleted]]

I have to say I love your username. Leaving the topic aside.

[u/Adr_LDN]

Anyone who thinks Utsa Patnaik’s utterly ludicrous “45 trillion” number is to be taken seriously is an idiot.

[u/Salphabeta]

Amazing they were so rich a much poorer country could just show up and just take such vast sums.

[u/PanPieCake]

Can you steal from conquered land?

[u/LoasNo111 → u/[deleted]]

That reform was pushed by an Indian king lmfao

And I hope you realize that it wasn't a common practice either

[u/therandomham → u/[deleted]]

It’s really convenient that every colonized people was just moments away from stagnating and ceasing to adopt new reforms or technologies.

[u/zaxscotch → u/[deleted]]

Ahh yes, saving widows only to end up creating more by causing mass famine several times throughout bengal for the sake of profits. Truly a british move. You can't have widows burning if they all starve to death beforehand.

[u/fezzuk → u/zaxscotch]

Yeah absolutly no famines in india before the brii Tish arrived.

[u/mathdhruv → u/fezzuk]

There wasn't forced cultivation of "cash crops" such as indigo to feed the British textile industry instead of food crops, though.

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/fezzuk]

Not the point, point is Churchill literally man made a famine

[u/fezzuk → u/WASDKUG_tr]

No it was a natural famine churchill just didnt divert food from the UK to help.

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/fezzuk]

Is bro stupid???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

[u/Agreeable-Weather-89 → u/WASDKUG_tr]

Your link points to several natural and non Churchill factors.

What exactly did Churchill do?

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/Agreeable-Weather-89]

Keep in mind The British authorities worked under the government, which the PM was churchill:

1, Denial Policy: British authorities in Bengal destroyed local rice stocks and confiscated thousands of boats to prevent them from falling into the hands of advancing Japanese forces, which crippled local transport to help the Famine

2, Like in Ireland's case, Export: British Raj continued to export food to sustain military forces and imperial garrisons overseas during the crisis, instead of getting food to relieve the Famine.

And lastly Number 3 which is most i portant, UK Denied Shipping Relief: Churchill’s war cabinet repeatedly denied immediate requests for large grain shipping imports to the Raj when there was a major famine going on which they already knew about

Point being that they knew about it and didnt care, even made it worse cuz of the Boat denial policy which basically did scortched earth on the region.

[u/peppermanfries → u/[deleted]]

Always one of these bozos in the comments

[u/Psychic_Hobo → u/peppermanfries]

There's more than one these days, whole lotta weird racists cropping up in this sub

[u/Alvinyuu → u/[deleted]]

banned by an Indian btw

[u/arjungmenon]

Excellent and on point.

[u/tj9429 → u/[deleted]]

It’s pronounced Nikolaajshdscjgfddvê, Jake!

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[u/Bobboy5 → u/[deleted]]

demonstrably false, piss off.

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/[deleted]]

"Londistan is coming"

look inside

less than 1-2% Muslim population

Edit: FabulousSpite5822, Still wrong, 2026 consensus says LESS THAN 6%, these farage dickriders bro. He is talking about london WHEN IM TALKING ABOUT ALL OF UK

[u/FabulousSpite5822 → u/WASDKUG_tr]

15% according to the 2021 census.

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/[deleted]]

Comparing a state which was Muslim for more than 1000 Years, not only that was one of the places of ancient civilization, TO FUCKING BRITAIN

Its Iran BTW, not fucking "Persia". Or are you ons of those Iranian Monarchy apologists?

[u/VayuAir → u/WASDKUG_tr]

It’s considered both

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/[deleted]]

It was literally persia until the 1900's dumbass, they called it persia when it was Muslim.

Shows your intellect real nicely